Amazon MGM acquired creative control over 007

[HockeyMask]

Ana de Armas series would not disappoint me.

[theSpectre]

I’m more concerned than ever about Amazon’s potential handling of the Bond franchise. No Time To Die may really be the true final Bond film.

[Skyfail]

@Luigi

Maybe if he’d have fallen, and that was it. But the sliding down two waterfalls was overkill - literally

I agree completely. A lot of jarring plot holes are pretty widely accepted around here

[Arbogast777]

@Skyfail

I agree completely. A lot of jarring plot holes are pretty widely accepted around here

I don’t think it’s a matter of accepting them as much as it is still being entertained by the movie in spite of them.

[secretagentfan]

@Luigi

The tones we are using here are quite curious contrasts. In my posts, I’m conciliatory and take pains to be polite. I use phrases like, “Forgive me, I don’t want to annoy anyone” and “With all the respect in the world”, and even “You may be right.” And your tone is quite curt, cold and aloof, even rude.

As someone who only wrote their first post the other day, I find that disappointing.

„Curt, cold and aloof, even rude“ - because I, as I believe: nicely, stated my opinion with „Well, you‘re wrong.“?

And this after elaborating on a definition you asked for which you then dismissed.

And no matter how many posts you made before - we‘re arguing here, and if you can’t take having your opinion being called out as wrong, the „forgive me“-pearl-clutching won‘t mask your game.

I am sure I am annoying lots of people for years. But if I am called out for being wrong I will gladly take it.

[Stbernard]

Doesn’t seem like an argument to me …
Factually @Luigi you are incorrect, @secretagentfan pointed this out, you didn’t like being told you were wrong and you then try to garner sympathy by attempting to make statement of facts seem like personal attacks.
It is perhaps indicative of where the world is now. Had the correction been accepted, a deeper discussion about the topic could be had.

[Luigi]

I don’t think it can be so easily said that I’m incorrect.

I think the power imbalance here is interesting.

[Arbogast777]

Deeply disappointing, gents…

[secretagentfan]

@Luigi

I think the power imbalance here is interesting.

There is no power imbalance. We´re all equal here.

But in the interest of fair game let me say this: I regret if my choice of words offended you. Let’s carry on.

[Luigi]

Okay, fair enough. I take this in good faith.

[Skyfail]

@Arbogast777

I don’t think it’s a matter of accepting them as much as it is still being entertained by the movie in spite of them.

I understand that from your perspective, these plot holes don’t stand out because you find the movie entertaining.

For us @dalton , @Luigi and myself, it’s the exact opposite. It’s got a weaker story, an inconsistent plot , bad action sequences. The inconsistencies are glaring, making it hard to believe that the same team behind Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace made this film. In terms of the series’ overall quality, it feels like a significant letdown.

I think it all boils down to how you perceive it and what you value when you watch these movies.

[Arbogast777]

Fair enough.

I look at it this way - when each movie begins with the image on blood flowing down INSIDE a gunbarrel, I know I’m not in for high art

[Luigi]

I’ve always assumed the blood is dripping over the outside the gun barrel, like the hand holding the gun isn’t stretched out too far and blood from the head or chest is dripping over it.

[Arbogast777]

Then you would only see the blood over the hole at the end…

[Luigi]

That’s true. It’s one of those things I’ve never realty paid much attention to. I’ve always thought it an unnecessary delay to the start of the film.

Though I’d posit that the Craig era is trying to be seem serious, most explicitly shown when Q scoffs at the gadgets of earlier films. With SF, the paintings and poetry readings and an Oscar-winning director and an Oscar-nominated writer indicate they’re aiming for something a bit grander.

[dalton]

@Arbogast777

I have enjoyed reading your posts, Luigi.

Silva escaping is a plot point that comes up from time to time, but I’ve never been bothered by it. I certainly don’t think it’s a plot hole.

I have as well.

I don’t think it’s a plot hole either, but it’s just a laughable plot point that is there to remind us of when Skyfall’s muse, Christopher Nolan, did it infinitely better in The Dark Knight.

[Luigi]

The funny thing is that the breakout scene in Batman and Robin worked better than the one in TDK. Poison Ivy came to rescue Mr Freeze. Despite all the hate that film gets, and how it’s supposed to get everything wrong it does that bit right

[secretagentfan]

@Revelator

I’m curious why Greg Wilson wasn’t considered “ready.” There is surely a deeper story here.

That’s what surprised me, too.

Maybe just a cover for protecting him from a work atmosphere they knew would break them all.

[dalton]

With regards to the younger Wilson stepping up to take the reigns of the franchise, it’s one thing to be working on the films and another entirely to take the reigns of a several hundred million dollar enterprise. He may not have been ready or, who knows, maybe he was and decided he didn’t want to deal with the stress that he witnessed the rest of his family dealing with each time it came time to make a new Bond film.

[Dustin]

There certainly is a difference to making any ‘ordinary’ huge production and making a Bond film the Broccoli way. The amount of delegation may be the same, but if reports are accurate the Bond producers were still involved on a huge scale into the details of the show, running it close knit like a family business. You probably have to be cut out for this approach; you either love it or it can’t be done this way.