April is the cruellest month: a day-by-day game

While I certainly take your point, to be completely fair, Glen would have had a much tougher time pulling this off than Terence Young or Guy Hamilton had when they were making the early Connery films. At that point, there weren’t really any expectations for the films and Terence Young, and then Hamilton after him with Goldfinger, were establishing the template that future Bond films would end up having to follow to some degree. If you’re setting out to establish the template, so to speak, the chances of you landing on something iconic, even by sheer luck, is far higher than if you’re a director who is locked into certain aspects of a template that has already proven to work time and time again for the span of multiple decades.

While I certainly don’t disagree, and would probably give Terence Young the edge in a debate over who the best Bond director has been, Glen’s work ultimately, I believe, led, albeit somewhat indirectly, to some iconic work down the road. Had he not taken the gig when he did and helped EON reign in the series from the outlandish and comedic direction it was headed in, and pulled it right back to earth with For Your Eyes Only and then kept it on that track through the end of his tenure in 1989, I wonder what the franchise would look like now. His greatest contribution, I think, was in showing the world that the franchise could transition from Roger Moore into a more serious direction with Dalton. Without his work on The Living Daylights, which perfectly nailed that tone that distinguished itself from the Diamonds are Forever through A View to a Kill era while still maintaining the essence of Bond, the franchise might have continued to drift in a more comedic direction, as there is certainly room within the script of TLD for that to occur (since it’s been said that the script was written either with Moore or within a rather generic Bond in mind, rather than either Brosnan or Dalton specifically). This set the stage for Brosnan to come in and have his somewhat middle of the road take on the character, where it was a blend of Connery and Moore, rather than going to one extreme or the other, before giving way to Craig’s decidedly Dalton-esque approach. Without Glen’s work on The Living Daylights, I very seriously doubt that there is a Casino Royale down the road, at least not in the form that we ended up getting. Terence Young gets the nod for setting the template and a lot of the Bond iconography. Hamilton gets his props for Goldfinger, but I have a hard time ranking him too high on the list because that’s the only solid Bond film he made, while his other three efforts are substandard entries in the franchise. Glen had that consistency that Hamilton lacked and also helped pave the way for greater things down the road for the franchise, even if the audiences weren’t ready for them at the time that Glen was trying to do them himself.

And the franchise finds itself in a similar position now, albeit at the other extreme. They’ve spent so much time doing the personal stories, rehashing the trust issues and MI6 incompetence (and relevance) angles time and time again that it might take a director to come in with an idea to shake things up and talk EON into going in a direction that doesn’t involve us seeing the same things that we’ve seen from pretty much every film post-TLD. It’s funny that, for all of the complaining that people do about LTK, it’s one of the most pilfered films in the franchise. They’ve been going back to the well for ideas that LTK brought to the franchise first, with the personal vendettas, the revenge angle, Bond going rogue, etc., etc. that a new director might need to come in and talk EON into taking something more from something like The Spy Who Loved Me than anything else.

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Fully agreed.

I would even say that Glen took over when the biggest two Bond films had saturated the market once again and left the series with a most difficult stretch of time.

If Glen had not so reliably delivered audiences would have turned their backs on the films sooner than 1989.

Campbell had the good luck and the clear strategic advantage to only helm Bond films when they had to celebrate a most watched comeback.

Sure, he could have failed at that. But why did he never come back during the times in which a new Bond was established?

Because it would have been much more difficult to impress audiences then.

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I don’t know that I’d ever be able to pick a “best director” for Bond because unlike many films, the directors of the Bonds are “hired hands,” contracted to tell someone else’s story using someone else’s rules. Even the “auteurs” are just grafting on artistic indulgences to what remain formulaic, “work for hire” films. Without an overarching directorial “vision” to point to, it’s difficult for me to judge what a director should get credit or blame for. I love the cinematography in SF, for instance, but is that Mendes’ work? I hate the editing on QoS but is that on Forster?

What I will say is that I think Glen presided over a fairly significant shift in the fundamental nature of Bond films, to the point where I can divide the series into “pre-Glen” and “Glen and later” eras. And for me, that shift was from spectacle and glamour to action.

In DN to MR, to varying degrees, “action” comes in the form of car chases, boat chases, helicopter battles, and yes some great (and not so great) fistfights. There’s a brief deviation with OHMSS, where a young, one-time Bond exhibits Olympic-level skiing skills, battles atop a speeding bobsled and dangles on cables hundreds of feet off the ground, but then we’re back to (pretty much) “normal.” (Interestingly, most of those OHMSS scenes are overseen by second unit director John Glen).

Then in FYEO suddenly, things get very physical again. There’s still car chases and scuba stuff, but now Bond is back to skiing at a Gold medal level, climbing sheer cliffs, getting dragged over coral reefs, running up tons of stairs to kick cars off the sides of mountains…“action” has become less about gadgets and vehicles and more about punishing, arduous physical exertion.

OP continues the trend, albeit often with a more comical bent, as does AVTAK. Can we even imagine Connery’s Bond clinging to planes and blimps in flight, battling foes atop the Golden Gate Bridge or speeding trains? Or more to the point, did we expect any of those things? Is that how we envisioned “James Bond” in 1964? No, but by today we’d be disappointed if we didn’t get larger-than-life, over-the-top action scenes of the like, and the turning point, I believe, was the Glen era.

Ironically this new emphasis on the physical comes at the end of Roger Moore’s tenure, when he’s inching towards 60 and, let’s face it, was hired back when the job didn’t require a convincing “super-athelete” anyway. When Dalton comes on board, the emphasis on action continues and LTK is all about getting Bond’s hands dirty – or bloody – in the grittiest, earthiest ways possible.

After Glen, we have the Brosnan era, which takes “action” to cartoonish heights because 90s. It can be hard to find the through-line from the Bond of FRWL to the machine-gunning super-soldier of TND and TWINE. Then we get Daniel Craig, who’s far more convincing as a brutal, hands-on bone-breaker than a cultured sophisticate (I don’t care how much his suits cost), but by this point, it works: “Bond” is by now equal parts action and style, and if in the 1970s we pictured 007 as a guy who knew his wines, by the 2010’s, we don’t mind if he looks like a guy who pours his wine from a box.

The Bond image, today, is as much about bone-crushing action as it is fancy clothes, flashy cars or spiffy gadgets. And to me, the turning point in that evolution was the Glen era.

But maybe that’s just me.

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Beautifully said and totally on point. Touché!

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Last round, sadly. And December seems so far away…

Okay. April 25:

Yes. Paloma is great, but the unexperienced agent schtick can only last for a short time anyway.

While I don’t want to start another useless diatribe against Halle Barry, a JINX movie would have been exactly what Bond films do not need. That also applies to a PALOMA movie.

But I would not be suprised to hear that Amazon Prime has already knocked at Ana de Armas‘ agent‘s door with an offer for a spy series.

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I agree.

Much like Paloma’s cameo, that said everything it wanted and needed to say.

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April 24 -
John Glen, great action director on second unit stunt work, decent editor, so the movies were going to be competent. Absolutely dreadful director of actors, scene where DaltonBond discovers Della and Felix is an actor looking for direction, not finding it and then repeating learned behaviour from theatre. You see it with backround performers.

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April 25 -

Absolutely, perfect little mini movie, no need to expand and doubtful there would be anything to expand

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I’m not yet sold on the idea of spin-offs, but if they were to be done, they should take place in the universe of Bond 26 which would allow connective continuity with future films. Starting afresh with a new era makes a whole lot more sense than focusing on an old timeline where Bond doesn’t exist. No Time To Die was about closing the Craig era loop, not expanding it.

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Absolutely, fully agreed.

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I’m trying to remember a “created for the screen” side character who benefitted from a second appearance, and I’m coming up blank. Are we really glad JW Pepper returned for TMWTGG? Did we really need more Jack Wade? Zukovzky? I confess I was happy to get another dose of Jaws, but many think MR ruined him. For once, Eon should quit while they’re ahead.

And I agree, Paloma is a part of Craig’s world, which no longer exists. If she did come back in her own series and was as fun as she was in NTTD – but the new Bond continues on as dour and grim as his predecessor – I’d just switch allegiances and only go to her films, so it’d be a wash for the studio.

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Wade and Zukovzky, I think, were kind of the alternative Felix Leiter - but just as one-note. Pepper was, well, kind of funny, in a Schadenfreude-kind-of-way (“oh, this stupid Texas cop”) in LALD - and I do remember chuckling when he re-appeared in TMWTGG. But I was very young at that time and even laughed at Bud Spencer & Terrence Hill-movies. So…

Jaws… well, part of him was still very scary in MR. I was glad when he showed he was capable of reason in the finale. It actually is quite an interesting twist that Bond can turn him by nudging him towards the thought that he would not fit in Drax´ perfect specimen-world. And, again, I must say that people laughed very happily along when Jaws and Dolly embraced in slow motion. EON, at that point, had the finger at the pulse of audiences.

As for THAT side character who was not created for the screen but kind of constantly re-created for the screen - Felix Leiter: he had much more potential than any Bond film ever realized.

During the early eras, however, it seemed as if he was not allowed to be more than Bond´s little helper because EON had decided, rightly so, that Bond was the main attraction.

When Jeffrey Wright was cast for the Craig era I was hoping that he could be more than “the brother from Langley”. However, he was not treated that much better as a character. Not even in NTTD, IMO. He always came along, had some expositional dialogue but was of no real consequence.

Then again, would I want to see a whole show about Leiter? Nah. The novels flesh him out, follow his fate after the mauling in LALD - but he still remains not that interesting. And how can he be? Bond is the center of everything, and that’s how it should be.

Maybe Leiter could be re-imagined as a CIA counterpart, someone who at least at first really hates Bond for stepping on his toes and ruining things on his turf. If Bond earns his friendship, it could be a much bigger arc for Leiter.

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Alright, so as I’m among friends…

I’m not going to dismiss the “Paloma should get her own movie” idea so quickly. An appealing actress, fleshing out an appealing character, with the right script with the right touch of humour, whimsy even (and yes, that’s the challenge) - not entirely convinced it’s worse than some of the other stuff that’s been put out there of late.

The Jinx comparison is understandable but a little unfair. All I know is what the web says - how she became Jinx apparently, and that Stephen Frears’ (no slouch) name had been thrown about as attached.

No knock on Berry (well, maybe there’s one coming), Jinx never held any appeal as a character. Even amongst the too often losing proposition of Bond-Girl, she’s far down the list. Heck, CIA operative Pam Bouvier is more interesting, could be a villain Octopussy of more intrigue (a Tiffany Case slapstick comedy perhaps), whereas Jinx? Yeahhhh. She’s just “there” in DAD - and there’s nothing about her part that evokes any sense of curiousity with the audience. As written, do we care how she got there? As written, there’s still not much to her other than a plot device for Bond (he has to save her, he has to get a girl at the end). Beyond that fact that it’s “Oscar Winner” Halle Berry, she’s thinly written (that’s being kind) and absolutely uninteresting. There’s more to being “Bond’s equal” than having equally moronic dialogue. And while some actors can save a part by the strength of their screen charisma, in this instance Berry didn’t bring that to the party (and looking across her filmography I question how much of that she’s got anywya, let alone an actor you’d hang a potential sub-franchise around).

The simple fact that Paloma doesn’t outstay her welcome, that De Armas’ screen presence is still blossoming, means that the idea of more should at least be considered before being dismissed. Again whether it be script or actor, there’s more to 20 minutes of Paloma than 90 minutes of Jinx.

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But Felix was created by Fleming, so I give him a pass. I was going after created-for-film characters who went over well (or even some who didn’t) and Eon said “let’s have more of that!”

I still think Felix was deliberately marginalized in the films in part because of the Jack Lord experience. After DN, they wrote him as no more or less important than any contact in Bond’s location-of-the-moment, and considerably less colorful or endearing than most. The message to actors was clear: you are not a partner here, just a helper. And to drive it home, they recast the role every time, and half the time with someone older and less fit than Bond.

I do like the idea of having Bond and Felix start off in a competitive, even adversarial mode and then develop a rapport. Even with Fleming, he just shows up from the beginning all smiles and “Happy to help!” which is not, I’d imagine, how it would play out in real life between operatives of competing agencies.

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I wonder. Maybe her Marilyn Monroe film will prove that she is really great. But if you look at the recent Adrian Lyne film with her and Ben Affleck… well, maybe it‘s the movie.

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At least De Armas will get her action vehicle in the form of John Wick spin-off Ballerina.

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April 26-
Possibly truer of the novels…Tiffany Case is a great character but the book of DAF is a bit DUFF.
As for the film’s
Goldfinger - I’m not its biggest fan but people seem to love it.
DAF - deadly, brilliant, layered sublime ( and that’s just Connerys wig )
LALD - still holds up well
AVTAK - yes , double duff definitely.
LTK - best Bond Woman of the 80s, and a rollicking adventure.
TND - Hatcher counts right? Good enough movie.
TWINE - Not Richards fault it’s criminally dull, but it is Duff.
DAD - desperately desperately duff.
Mixed bag really.

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Casino Royale not make the list?

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Not if those films are GF, LALD or LTK. Or CR (I forgot that there is a Miami interlude, thank you @orion). Or AVTAK (which I have found new love for).

Nor is DAF duff. (Yeah, this is the level of my puns).

But in general I would agree that Bond and the US don’t really mix that well.

Why is that? Maybe the idea of a British snob agent is more old world, and from my knowledge American mentality viewed the British always as rather ridiculous. They would laugh at him and Bond would be aghast at American culture. He better fits in elsewhere. Or used to. Before what happened happened.

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It’s early ! - but yes
CR - not duff in the slightest

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