Deathmatch 2023 - Sideswipes

This is an easy vote. Cubby in a landslide. But I acknowledge GE and CR are excellent debut Bond films which both happened to have Campbell behind the camera. If he somehow became the director of Bond 26 and struck gold three times I don’t think you could call it just good luck.

Yes, he needs to prove it now.

Okay, corrected it already, I’m included in it, forgot it. :sweat_smile:

It is mainly EON, the entire team, that made these two films what they have become. Campbell did a good job to excecute the right ideas, but without him another good director would have done the job. Also most of Campbell other movies, especially after CR, are not realy memorable.
The Mask of Zorro is fun, but most of his other movies are not so good.

Without Broccoli however…

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Blessed relief. After a couple of days of unbridled brutality, a cakewalk.

Cubby hands-down. Campbell did fine work and as others have said, he’s not the type of director who “leaves his mark” (which with Bond can sometimes be a strength). And while performance does start with the director, “firsts” for leads (in this case Brozza and DC) are ultimately what define the success of the endeavor.

You could make an argument when walking out of SF (as just an example) that somewhere in the conversation Mendes name would come up; after GE and CR the only, only, conversation would have been one’s thoughts on the lead.

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Keep Cubby, there is no James Bond franchise without him. Martin Campbell did very well in his 2 efforts (Moreso CR than GE). But I am like 99% certain he will not be directing another Bond movie. He will be 80 next month and we have no idea when Bond 26 will actually go into production. I think the current estimate is the film will be out between 2026 and 2029. Just like with pretty much everything, we need younger blood.

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Cubby had the vision that has lasted 60 years: Campbell executed it for a couple of great movies. It’s not even close.

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September 23

Perhaps not totally dissimilar to the User Generated Content yesterday; but equally as a perhaps, the overall influence - or binfluence, for these purposes - might be a little, just a little, harder to determine. I might be wrong but I have chosen never being wrong as a positive lifestyle indicator. Unless it’s a bindicator.

Whose Bond career is in the bin? Whose efforts get to be trashimilated?

Binvolve! Binitiate!

  • Terence Young
  • Daniel Craig

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I love Craig’s Bond, especially in Sp and NTTD, when he nailed Bond’s sardonic humour beautifully, but Terrance Young created Connery, who created Bond… and so, sadly, DC has to go.

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That one Terence Young vote was me, and I hit it by mistake.

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Happens to the best. Not certain, I may have been the one who kicked Cubby out the other day. If yes, it was certainly by mistake. :laughing:

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No Young, no ongoing franchise.

No Craig, still ongoing franchise.

As tough as it might be for some (Jim, just don’t read this, for your sanity) a fifth or even a sixth Brosnan Bond would still have worked, I‘m sure. After that they would have found someone else.

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Craig’s Bond works as a deconstruction/inversion of a cinematic archetype, but without Terrence Young there’s nothing to react to and no template to reinvent. The director’s original interpretation of 007 still influences movie Bond today, even if the films aren’t as Young as they used to be.

Tomb Raider 2 for Daniel.

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September 24

Bearing in mind all their contributions, to whom do we now say “Thank you for your nontribution?”

Binclude one out!
  • John Glen
  • Barbara Broccoli

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Tough again.

BB carried the franchise after Cubby, but together with MGW.

John Glen contributed to the series before he directed so many of the movies. Sure, another director could have done those. But I suspect he steered this ship very firmly and was the perfect teamplayer.

BB is a great producer. But her reliance on Craig did not only help the series. So…

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This is another impossible choise!
But if I had to choose: John Glenn. His contributions to the films is hugh, but in the end he was just a director who did his job and although Eyes Only was a great first movie as director and brought Bond back on earth in a more realistic way and story, in my opinion his movies became everytime less than the one it succeeded (yes, I know, I’m not a Dalton fan). For years LtK was my least favorite Bond movie (until QoS). Also the pace of the movies became slower.

Babs contributions to the whole Bond series is gigantic, without her would there be Bondmovies now at all, hard to say realy. But she is priceless.

Some of these are boiling down to more of a means of sorting the “Classic Bond” fans from the “NuBond” fans. Glenn had a hand in OHMSS, TSWLM and then of course the five he directed (an unmatched record, to date) and guided Bond through the 80s. If that impressive line-up means anything to you, you’d definitely have missed his contributions. Barbara took over for the Brosnan and Craig years, which certainly continued the series’ winning streak and brought in beaucoup bucks, but in my case those two eras didn’t connect with me in anything close to the same way as her dad’s output. The former felt like an attempt to keep the machine running without a full understanding of how it worked, while the latter was a complete retooling that has to be considered as a separate beast altogether.

In favor of Barbara, I find it helps to imagine where we might be right now if Cubby’s interest in the series had passed out of the family and into some studio’s hands upon his death, or if Babs and Michael opted to simply cash out and let someone else worry about it. I might not agree with all her choices, but I do think we’ve been better off with her than we would’ve been without her.

That said, if I had to give up the Glenn-influenced films or the Barbara-produced ones, it wouldn’t even be a close call for me. Broccoli leaves the plate.

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September 25

Involvement turns into binvolvement so very suddenly these days. Which of the below has their input become binput?

Perhaps the measure is whose efforts are indicative of the Bond series, and whose are bindicative?

  • Pierce Brosnan
  • Maurice Binder

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The success rate at finding a new Bond is far better than the one for finding title designers, makes this an easy one.

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I am not sure I completely understand this question. So I don’t no what to vote.