# Debating TV shows **URL:** \ **Category:** General\ **Created:** [October 20, 2020, 10:20am UTC](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/t/debating-tv-shows/1771 "2020-10-20T10:20:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 37
**Author:** ![MrKiddWint](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/user_avatar/quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/mrkiddwint/32/1772_2.png) [@MrKiddWint](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/u/MrKiddWint)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2024, 2:30pm UTC](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/t/debating-tv-shows/1771/722 "2024-07-31T14:30:19Z")
> [@stromberg](#): > > Go to the ancient Egyptians, you’ll find as many complaints about “today’s young ones” and that they’ll be the downfall of “the world as we know it” as in any other times. But even in the world of ancient Egypt, there was consensus on some basic tenets of existence/human anthropology, which existed alongside generational disagreements. What is different today is that there is no longer consensus on the basics–what it means to be human; what it means to be a member of a nation state; what, if any, order can be discovered/discerned from examination of the physical world. Whatever our disagreements, in this community we all subscribe to dalton’s thesis that a James Bond movie must include James Bond. But in the world at large, there is no longer agreement on statements along the lines of “To be x means you/it are y.” Unfortunately, the world does not follow our example. And thank you for the Cole Porter. It is always appreciated, and never wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Pushkin](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/user_avatar/quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/pushkin/32/515_2.png) [@Pushkin](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/u/Pushkin)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2024, 3:59pm UTC](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/t/debating-tv-shows/1771/723 "2024-07-31T15:59:19Z")
> [@Dustin](#): > > But today, the fools in town are connected with all the other fools, in all the other towns. And screaming at the top of their lungs to be heard. This is spot on. Earlier in my career I worked on multiculturalism and discrimination for a number of years. Hate-groups (e.g., Stormfront), used to have hand out flyers, put up posters on telephone polls and engage in other in-person activities to recruit people. Over the last 30 years it has become so very easy for these people to find one another. It has also enabled these groups to more easily recruit socially isolated individuals who are looking for some sense of community even if they are not pre-disposed to discriminatory views. It is even easier for what we might call the decaffeinated version of these groups (i.e., not out-hateful organizations but those who like to dabble in the tropes and play to intolerance). ---
**Author:** ![MrKiddWint](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/user_avatar/quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/mrkiddwint/32/1772_2.png) [@MrKiddWint](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/u/MrKiddWint)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2024, 5:10pm UTC](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/t/debating-tv-shows/1771/724 "2024-07-31T17:10:42Z")
> [@Dustin](#): > > But today, the fools in town are connected with all the other fools, in all the other towns. Exactly. These new connections have frayed/destroyed the societal consensus that once undergirded society. People who once isolated/were isolated by dint of their views have found community, thereby, ending their isolation. And they are a force to be reckoned with, since while possibly not a majority, they are a significant minority, and capable of being united with other minorities (who will find a way to excuse their more outré beliefs, while bonding over some shared principles) in order to form a working majority. Sometimes an opposition coalition forms to oppose them, but having won, the coalition then has the difficult task of finding common ground other than stopping those whom they oppose. Failing to do so, they sink into disarray, and are unable to lead–making the opposition look like a more competent alternative. ---
**Author:** ![Dustin](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/user_avatar/quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/dustin/32/7_2.png) [@Dustin](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/u/Dustin)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2024, 2:02pm UTC](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/t/debating-tv-shows/1771/725 "2024-08-01T14:02:12Z")
I’ve watched that first part of the new show now. I’m in two minds; I liked the general atmosphere, that classic 40s vibe of the old The Whistler serial. This might be even better in b/w as the title sequence shows. But I’m not convinced by the animation or the actual character design. Most look like cheaply produced 70s/80s cartoons. As for turning Oswald into Oswalda: yes, they gave her two hideously creepy sons and a bit of a cabaret act that conspicuously had the air of a drag show. But still, so what? You could have had that same story with the traditional Penguin. So he decides to spice up his penguin-themed wardrobe with a little drag, no big deal. 🤷🏼‍♂️ EDIT: I take back the part about the animation. It may not be outstanding but it’s fitting the bill for the purpose. But the character concepts are not my cup. ---
**Author:** ![dalton](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/user_avatar/quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/dalton/32/1973_2.png) [@dalton](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/u/dalton)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2024, 2:23pm UTC](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/t/debating-tv-shows/1771/726 "2024-08-01T14:23:05Z")
> [@MrKiddWint](#): > > Whatever our disagreements, in this community we all subscribe to dalton’s thesis that a James Bond movie must include James Bond. But in the world at large, there is no longer agreement on statements along the lines of “To be x means you/it are y.” My “thesis”, as much as I’m intellectually capable of developing such a thing, on it goes a bit further than that. As far as I’m concerned, the _only_ thing that is needed for something to be a “James Bond film” is James Bond himself. The rest of it is completely irrelevant. This new Q-centered project is a natural outgrowth out of a large section of the fandom’s idea that a “James Bond film” must include more than James Bond. I’ve seen it argued that it can’t be a Bond film without Q and Moneypenny. That it can’t be a Bond film without a title song, or that it can’t be one without this small part of the formula or that part of the formula. And with enough of the fandom putting far too much emphasis on these, quite honestly, inconsequential pieces of the puzzle, the only natural conclusion to that was eventually EON and IFP would decide that they are just as important, if not moreso, than Bond himself. Hence where we are now. Bond is dead, the rest of the Double-oh section is getting not just one, but at least three novels, which are the marquee product coming out of IFP right now, devoted to them, and now Q is set to take over from them as the star of the IFP universe. EDIT: And, more on topic, saw that the new Batman series debuted on Amazon today. And the world kept spinning. Thank goodness, I was worried there for a moment. ---
**Author:** ![secretagentfan](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/user_avatar/quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/secretagentfan/32/504_2.png) [@secretagentfan](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/u/secretagentfan)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2024, 2:52pm UTC](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/t/debating-tv-shows/1771/727 "2024-08-01T14:52:39Z")
I was one of those who thought a Bond film needs Moneypenny, Q, M and a title song. But now I actually agree with you - and the less elements of earlier times the better. Really refresh this thing. Make something which has not been done for the umpteenth time, only for critics and fans to spot the references. ---
**Author:** ![MrKiddWint](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/user_avatar/quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/mrkiddwint/32/1772_2.png) [@MrKiddWint](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/u/MrKiddWint)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2024, 3:40pm UTC](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/t/debating-tv-shows/1771/728 "2024-08-01T15:40:45Z")
> [@dalton](#): > > As far as I’m concerned, the _only_ thing that is needed for something to be a “James Bond film” is James Bond himself. My pardon for misrepresenting. In my brain, I knew the Dalton Thesis states that the only thing necessary is the presence of James Bond, but somehow in my writing and reviewing, the thought got scrambled. Thank you for the correction. > [@secretagentfan](#): > > I was one of those who thought a Bond film needs Moneypenny, Q, M and a title song. Beckett proved with “Breath” that the needed elements for a play are minimal, so too with James Bond movies. In fact, a minimalist Bond might be both fun and aesthetically pleasing. Something along the lines of Hitchcock’s British films. ---
**Author:** ![MrKiddWint](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/user_avatar/quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/mrkiddwint/32/1772_2.png) [@MrKiddWint](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/u/MrKiddWint)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2024, 3:44pm UTC](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/t/debating-tv-shows/1771/729 "2024-08-01T15:44:51Z")
> [@Dustin](#): > > I’m in two minds Dustin, as always, is in impressive company. ![image](https://uploads-quarterdeck-commanderbond-net.s3.dualstack.eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/original/2X/e/e47f4bf73ae85851abfe2408062dba96fd88a1f2.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Stbernard](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/e68b1a/32.png) [@Stbernard](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/u/Stbernard)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2024, 4:39pm UTC](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/t/debating-tv-shows/1771/730 "2024-08-01T16:39:12Z")
Absolutely Put James Bond in a situation that is straight into the action. Invert North by Northwest. ---
**Author:** ![Arbogast777](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/user_avatar/quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/arbogast777/32/822_2.png) [@Arbogast777](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/u/Arbogast777)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2024, 1:31am UTC](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/t/debating-tv-shows/1771/731 "2024-08-13T01:31:43Z")
[![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/-pLjpuT-qjw/maxresdefault.jpg "The Old Man | Season 2 Official Trailer | Jeff Bridges, John Lithgow | FX") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pLjpuT-qjw) ---
**Author:** ![Orion](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/user_avatar/quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/orion/32/1276_2.png) [@Orion](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/u/Orion)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2024, 4:16pm UTC](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/t/debating-tv-shows/1771/732 "2024-08-13T16:16:16Z")
[![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/xo27sE2fdvs/maxresdefault.jpg "Slow Horses — Season 4 Official Trailer | Apple TV+") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xo27sE2fdvs) ---
**Author:** ![Dustin](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/user_avatar/quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/dustin/32/7_2.png) [@Dustin](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/u/Dustin)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2024, 5:34pm UTC](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/t/debating-tv-shows/1771/733 "2024-08-13T17:34:13Z")
This is just the bee’s knees of 🍎+ shows. I love Tehran - but I adore Slow Horses. And the books, in their own fashion, are just as entertaining. Recommended. ---
**Author:** ![Orion](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/user_avatar/quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/orion/32/1276_2.png) [@Orion](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/u/Orion)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2024, 5:50pm UTC](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/t/debating-tv-shows/1771/734 "2024-08-13T17:50:01Z")
[![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/dKyX8rocAB8/maxresdefault.jpg "Only Murders in the Building | Season 4 Trailer | Hulu") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKyX8rocAB8) ---
**Author:** ![Dustin](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/user_avatar/quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/dustin/32/7_2.png) [@Dustin](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/u/Dustin)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 8:04am UTC](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/t/debating-tv-shows/1771/735 "2024-08-14T08:04:52Z")
Dipped into Severance yesterday, love it. Strikes me that this is yet another iteration of the theme The Prisoner approached back in 1967, our growing alienation with our own lives. Goes to show how ahead of its time that old show was, and how influential it still is. We find traces of The Prisoner from Wild Palms to Wayward Pines, from Lost to Silo - and the theme is seemingly turning ever more relevant with each new interpretation. ---
**Author:** ![MrKiddWint](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/user_avatar/quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/mrkiddwint/32/1772_2.png) [@MrKiddWint](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/u/MrKiddWint)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 2:09pm UTC](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/t/debating-tv-shows/1771/736 "2024-08-14T14:09:51Z")
I think this might interest the community (I am so out of my depth, but it was Variety’s top story): > **[Guy Ritchie’s ‘The Gentlemen’ Renewed for Season 2 at Netflix](https://variety.com/2024/tv/global/guy-ritchie-the-gentlemen-season-2-theo-james-netflix-1236102867/)** > > Theo James will return for a second season as the Duke in Guy Ritchie's Netflix series 'The Gentlemen.' I will now return to composing geeky posts about movies from the last century. ---
**Author:** ![Orion](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/user_avatar/quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/orion/32/1276_2.png) [@Orion](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/u/Orion)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 2:17pm UTC](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/t/debating-tv-shows/1771/737 "2024-08-14T14:17:34Z")
I enjoyed it, actually a lot more than I thought I would, but I’m confused where they’re going with it. Season 1 was about the two main characters accepting the throne - Theo James’ character very grudgingly at first - and they have fully taken on their roles by the end…so aren’t they done? ---
**Author:** ![secretagentfan](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/user_avatar/quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/secretagentfan/32/504_2.png) [@secretagentfan](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/u/secretagentfan)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 3:15pm UTC](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/t/debating-tv-shows/1771/738 "2024-08-14T15:15:40Z")
The atmosphere in that work place is so creepy, with that grotesque painting and… well, I really want to see season 2. But that could become a disappointment. Hopefully, they will not milk this for top long. ---
**Author:** ![secretagentfan](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/user_avatar/quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/secretagentfan/32/504_2.png) [@secretagentfan](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/u/secretagentfan)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 3:19pm UTC](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/t/debating-tv-shows/1771/739 "2024-08-14T15:19:25Z")
Could be fun, could also be too meta for its own good. So far, the first season was the best. ---
**Author:** ![Dustin](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/user_avatar/quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/dustin/32/7_2.png) [@Dustin](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/u/Dustin)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 3:23pm UTC](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/t/debating-tv-shows/1771/740 "2024-08-14T15:23:08Z")
My thoughts exactly. I liked that it was comparatively restrained - for a Guy Ritchie project - and dipped into the über-violence just that bit to show how creepy and perverted our times are. I even disliked how the protagonist accepted his own adaptation of this creed in the end - but it’s only logical and consequential for this set of characters in this kind of story. It’s finished. I wonder if the second season can be anything more than an extended Barbour commercial. ---
**Author:** ![Arbogast777](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/user_avatar/quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/arbogast777/32/822_2.png) [@Arbogast777](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/u/Arbogast777)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2024, 4:55pm UTC](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/t/debating-tv-shows/1771/741 "2024-08-22T16:55:48Z")
[![]( " - YouTube") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVQQbuSCiyU) [Previous page](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/t/debating-tv-shows/1771.md?page=36) [Next page](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/t/debating-tv-shows/1771.md?page=38)