Debating TV shows

I loathe Nolan’s Batman. Begins was a decent start but TDK ruined it for me. The ending was highly suspect, but you can’t ask questions or else the fanboys who constantly defend his work as something holy and incorruptable will give you stupid retorts.

I don’t see the attraction to having him direct a Bond film. Keep Nolan (and Tom Hardy) away. If Inception was his OHMSS then I think he needs to be re-educated on how to make a spy film. I’ve heard so much about Tenant from recviews and word of mouth I honestly don’t know what to believe.

Marvel’s first fully in-house tv series starts next week. It does look like it’s aiming for the Monday morning theorising market that The Mandalorian and so many HBO series tend to play to.

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Seems like I picked the right time to start my subscription.

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More on a whim than anything else I started The Boys a few weeks back. Some years ago I read the first trade-pb but wasn’t overly gripped. The premise seemed interesting but the characters didn’t click with me.

Now that Amazon Prime series…

I wouldn’t have thought there’d be a way for a mainstream production to pick up the premise, the atmosphere and the mindset of the independent comic and keep the balance between all these while improving on the characters.

The Boys is a wildly farcical splatter punk satire, a caricature not just on the superhero genre but on the entire idea of the Nitzsche Übermensch. But strewn between the ultraviolence that pops up time and again there are moments of unmasked human misery. Each episode manages to slip us the uncomfortable fact that superheroes, were they ever real, would likely just shatter under their powers - or become monstrously human. Bratty children without manners but enormous sense of entitlement. Human incarnations of the Xchan sewers.

Not in any way ‘deep’ but intriguing and entertaining enough to make you want to see how it all goes on.

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COBRA KAI

3 seasons, 10 episodes a piece, 30 minutes long. Written extradinarily well and hits all the right notes. Checks all the fan service boxes and continues the stories of Johnny and Daniel remarkably well and packs an emotional weight that makes you feel good while you’re left awestruck with how good the stories are.

For a show that constantly leaves you wanting more, it’s very very good.

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Star Trek - Discovery - Season 3 (Netflix)

I´m a Star Trek fan. Starting with the Original Series, of course. Afterwards I hesitated to jump in with TNG, but the movies made me seek it out, and I enjoyed it a lot, too. Voyager, well, I actually liked parts of it and got bored by others. Years later I tried out Enterprise, which had more to offer than I thought at first. And following that, I finally binged through DS9 and consider it now the best series since TOS.

Then came Discovery. And while I liked the first one and the second series even more, I approached the third one with a kind of “it´s Trek so I have to watch it”-feeling. While the second series tickled my nostalgia I never understood why the creative minds behind this had insisted on Discovery to be a prequel when so much of it just does not fit into the canon or had to be retrofitted to explain all the hugely advanced technology. The end of the second series finally tried to break free from the prequel setup by having the crew and the ship jump into the future. So… why not start there? To court the long time fans? That did not work at all, judging from all the backlash for the reasons mentioned above.

Now, the third series starts with all the chances one could associate with a Star Trek series that takes place so far removed from the others. And there are fantastic ideas in it (I won’t spoil it here for those who haven’t seen it yet). But in the end, it is again a kind of prequel, only this time for what is to come in Season 4. It’s as if the showrunners are constantly trying to build their world by explaining and explaining, instead of just doing a quit setup and then run with it. 13 episodes to explain how the Discovery crew will now proceed in this new universe?

And then there’s still Michael Burnham. I never understood why the show runners decided to center the series so much on one main character. Almost every storyline is revolving around her emotional state of mind, and while the main actress, Sonequa Martin-Green, is giving a passionate performance, either she is directed to fall back on two acting shortcuts (tears welling up, delivering dialogue in a dramatic whisper) or she just does not have more range. Besides, her character, Michael Burnham, is just not layered enough to carry all those storylines. The writers have thrown everything at this character, for sure, even making her a half-sister of Spocks. But in the end she always is torn between serving Starfleet or following her emotions, choosing the latter and thereby saving the day for Starfleet which finally excuses her behavior. Also, she is more of a superhero, surviving everything, having no injury stop her, going full John McClane in this season while also outsmarting everyone, even her crew.

And before you can say: But Kirk also always went stubbornly his way… no, he did not. He tried, and sometimes he had to pay a huge price for it. Usually, though, he always seeked out advice from Spock and McCoy. And this triangle actually made for the most interesting stories and decisions. So did the other crews, too. Up to Discovery, the heroes in Star Trek were ensemble players, they could only succeed by listening to others and working together. Discovery has the crew on the one side, and Michael Burnham on the other, with Burnham always saving the day, no matter whether the crew has advised her to do something else.

This is not to say that I did not enjoy Season 3. Visually it´s perfect eye candy - or should that be effects porn? And as I said before, there are many moments and ideas which are interesting and captivating. But it also has morphed a lot into Star Wars territory, with more space battles and phaser duels as ever. It does manage to inject more diversity and tolerance into the show, and this is great because Star Trek always was about that. Then again, it´s often a bit too much on the nose with that. And the two new characters in this season, for my perspective, lacked the kind of development I was hoping for. For instance: if you start out with a revolutionary Han Solo-like scoundrel, why do you also have to give him an esoteric superpower AND lose all his edge after a few episodes to become a love interest who is suddenly totally in tune with helping Starfleet? And if you include a transgender character (nothing new, actually, since DS9 already had one, although played by a very attractive woman) why make them a teenage genius who insists on being called “they”? The intention to include and maybe even educate the audience is ruined if it is so obvious.

I hope that Season 4 will offer more interesting stories and not fall into the trap of being another explanation to set up new circumstances for Discovery. They should rather now have the crew, the whole crew, go on their missions in this new universe and timeline, as it is set up in the last episode.

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I very much agree with your assessment of the show. I think the idea to jump forward was a good and necessary one, and I was very hopeful that the ‘circumstances’ of that future would set up a great opportunity for more exploration and interesting story telling. Unfortunately, after a strong first few episodes the season (surprisingly quickly and drastically) completely lost me.

We’re in a future with a blank canvas and yet the antagonist is a TOS species from the time period they left behind. The Burn started as a decent plot device but the less said about how the story evolved or resolved itself the better. The spore drive continues to be an issue that I wish was just written out of the show. It’s ridiculous that this far in the future the tech can’t be replicated, negating the need for warp travel. The fact that the ship can just pop up anywhere instantly thanks to it is also very dull and diminishes Discovery as a ‘character’ in itself or a ship with any personality. It was interesting in S1 during the Klingon War but since it’s been a terrible plot device.

The crew is the least likable in all of Trek in my opinion because they are written to be so aggressively sickly sweet. It’s the only Trek show that I’ve thought I wouldn’t like to work on the ship. A lot has been made of the crying in the series, and I’ve given it a pass before, but this season it is far too much. The Tilly situation and the crews ‘say yes’ scene was genuinely awkward and uncomfortable watching.
I was a Burnham and SMG fan in S1 and 2, but this season, the crying, whispered way of speaking and over-emoting was far too much. It seems they have forgotten she was raised Vulcan or she has forgotten how to suppress any emotion after the jump. I can only assume she was directed that way as she had been excellent in S1 and 2.
It’s also become very tiresome and patronising to have someone who is constantly breaking procedures and protocol, and who ruthlessly guns down any opposition, emotively preach and explain what Starfleet and the Federation means. Fans of Star Trek know what they mean and stand for… I don’t know if the Discovery writers do.

I agree that this season felt like a prelude to S4 which leaves me wondering if Discovery will ever have its own identity. S1 was a TOS prequel, S2 felt like a back-door pilot for Strange New Worlds (which I’m very excited for), and S3 as a set up for whatever S4 will be.
Overall the season was a real miss for me. My ranking is S2, S1 with S3 far at the bottom. It looks great and there has always been potential. I just really feel that the writing is severely lacking.

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Respectfully, I have to disagree. I found this season one of the better in the Trek franchise. Seeing the lawlessness and ruthless capitalism that broke out after the Federation’s weakened status from the Burn made Star Trek Discovery a political allegory again, like TOS often was. Meeting Adira and going back to Trill I was an emotionally moving episode. The whole setup for N’ivar was a nice sequel to Spock’s last appearance on TNG. Revisiting TOS species like the Orions showed how they changed over the centuries. It wasn’t just fan service. Sylvia Tilly went through a strong character development arc, as did Saru. His story makes sense and feels complete. And Stamets certainly isn’t sentimental about Michael. He seems genuinely pissed at her, and this could be mined for dramatic effect next season. Book’s superpower made sense as a deus-ex-maquina and was needed to resolve the climax. The only detour of the season seemed to be the “Terra Firma” two part episode, as Philipa Georgiou’s character was set up for a spinoff. But they tied it into a classic TOS episode and we got to visit the mirror universe again (something I wish TNG had done.) The rest of the episodes had a logical through line from beginning to end. I wish the last episode was edited better, as shifting between space battles and the character on the dilithium planet had pacing problems, as well as the physical space defying turbo lift fight scene. But once you accept a transporter beam, you can’t really argue impossibility of Star Trek tech (Heisenberg compensators?!)

I enjoyed it more than Picard’s debut season and appreciate that Discovery is taking risks. Their first season had a captain who turned out to be a villain. The second season completely changed the premise of the show. And the third resurrected the Federation. Their musical choice over the end credits was brilliant. I thought it less reliant on original series tie-ins (Klingon war in S1, Spock in S2) and free to explore new storylines. Osyyra was an intriguing villain, yet I admit her fate didn’t match the build up of her character. Hopefully, they develop a new, really good villain for S4.

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I am a fan of Discovery but it is definitely a different beast, in a different era, telling different stories on a different platform. If you’re looking for the old stuff I recommend Star Trek Continues.

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Someone listened in on our discussion…

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Uh… what?

So for a while there have been talk about Tim Burton taking in a Addams Family project. Makes sense. Then yesterday I start hearing that it will be focused on Wednesday. Not a bad take, although a Youtube series kind of beat them to it. This this piece of off the rails inanity appeared:

Is it just me or does this miss the entire point? To me the central joke of the Addams family was that they were the weirdest thing in the world and the humour and hijinks came from the normal people reacting to them. Sending Wednesday to magic school and giving her psychic powers just strikes me as a failure to understand what made the Addams family tick.

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Exactly. They considered themselves typical. Remember the episode where Wednesday and Pugsley come home from school traumatized from hearing the story of Hansel and Gretel, and what happens to the witch?

“The Munsters” was a comedy along the same lines, but also about assimilation: “Marilyn is the plain-looking one in the family.”

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First ever episode if I recall. Really set the tone going forward.

Is this not just a thinly veiled attempt to put Wednesday into the Potter setting? Can’t see this sitting well with the Addams Family’s fans, not even if Burton puts his name to it.

I’d imagine most will have a similar reaction to mine. Surely there are better candidates for an American Harry Potter?

Why even go where Potter has been before, or Buffy or Sabrina? Why having a creative like Burton and then just follow the beaten path, for that matter?

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One last note on THE ADDAMS FAMILY: it was the only show that depicted real passion between a wife and husband. All the other shows I grew up with gave the impression that there was nothing going on in the bedroom but sleeping. C’est la vie.

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Let´s wait for the actual show. I like Tim Burton’s work a lot. And I was hoping he would go into the business of tv series. I’m sure he will stay true to the original show’s essence. Condensed into one or two sentences, no film could ever satisfy anyone.

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Thoughts on FOR ALL MANKIND, anybody?

I’ve only seen the first episode of season one so far, not sure what to make of it. The alternate reality concept that tries to stick close® to history is interesting, no doubt there. But from the first episode it’s hard to imagine this so convincing further seasons are ordered before the new ones are even aired. I‘ll give my thoughts when I‘ve seen season one as a whole.

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