Movies: 2019 and Beyond

#151

The characters are still great - they are just in need of a good film.

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#152

That we can agree on. I just wish they’d let the dust settle a bit first before diving into the next reboot.

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#153

Well, In this instance it wasn’t a reboot for a long time, and I believe Affleck still carries an ep credit, as it started life as a piece he was going to write and direct - whilst I doubt any of that will be in the film that’s released, it is, on paper, telling a story of a young man who will age into Affleck.

Just how much the film will distance itself from those films I imagine grew when JL did so badly.

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#154

I think Affleck’s Batman never recovered from the fact he got the role ten years too late and didn’t get a whole film for himself to get comfortable with it. I just struggle to be interested in his character and that’s a problem when it’s not just a small part of the audience but a sizeable number having that feeling.

During that first vehicle with him it struck me that I’d be more interested if his Batman couldn’t don the costume and he’d be forced to make do with his Bruce Wayne persona. If Batman gets a reboot I’d prefer it it was closer in tone to the fantastical atmosphere of Tim Burton’s two efforts.

Actually, why not? Ask Burton if he’s up for it, maybe that would give the character the necessary kick.

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#155

Shaft Jr. comes off far more annoying than I expected him to. I plan on seeing this, as I loved Samuel L. Jackson’s take on this in 2000’s Shaft, but I was hoping for something a bit different than this. This really should have just focused on Jackson and Roundtree rather than their whiny younger relative.

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#156

More casting for DUNE. The cast is certainly shaping up nicely at this point!

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#157

Not since Casino Royale and Blade Runner 2049 have I been so eager to see a movie.

The book is outstanding and becomes ever more relevant; spice representing oil and Paul the Mahdi by way of T.E. Lawrence - my reading of it.

Being an uber fan of Lynch I adore his version. Sure it falls apart a little in the end and it’s an Alan Smithee film. But it has a mise en scene to die for and an incredibly tangible meta physical aspect (being Lynch). I never get tired of watching it. Totos ‘Prophecy theme’ is one of my favourite pieces of music of all time.

I thought Blade Runner 2049 was far better than we could’ve ever hoped for in a sequel to the monumental original, so I’m dairing to hope and let myself get excited about this latest attempt at Herbet’s masterpiece.

So far the cast looks amazing - Paul is perhaps a little on the young side, but he is an Oscar winner, so in Villineuve I trust.

My only disappointment so far is that Deakins isn’t photographing, but Greig Fraser has a great resume, as does editor Joe Walker.

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#158

I’m in two minds. On the one hand ANY Deakins construction is a plus, on the other, I get Deakins fear of repetition going from one sci-fi epic to another under the same director.

Yes…I know how pretentious that sounds.

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#159

I actually love Lynch´s DUNE as well - but I look forward to Villeneuve doing this version a lot.

I don´t think for a second that this will be a success, though. But it will be an interesting film.

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#160

Hopefully it makes enough for the studio to pay for part 2 (he’s doing it in 2 movies - a wise move imo).

Or is he shooting back to back? That would be ideal.

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#161

It was reported as two films back to back, as I remember. But maybe those were just optimistic plans to gain attention. Villeneuve´s commercial instincts don’t seem to align with market demand, unfortunately. And since Lynch´s DUNE, despite being regularly maligned, is still kind of etched into audiences´ consciousness, it will be hard for this new film to prove it is different and a necessary re-imagining.

IMO, all the talk about Lynch not following the story closely enough is wrong any way. My take was that he really used very much of the plot. And Villeneuve, I believe, will just have to use those plot points, too, which will inevitably lead to a feeling of “been there, seen that”.

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#162

Lynch’s problem was runtime. It’s a mammoth novel; not in terms of page count - though it’s not slim by any means - but in it’s density. So much lore, character and story is crammed into it’s epic world building that it’s proven impossible to tell in a single sitting.

I’ve seen the long cut of Dune and tbh it doesn’t really fix this issue. Lynch would’ve felt these constraints from the outset and decisions made in scripting about what they could sacrifice for time. All those extended and deleted scenes can’t make up for what they couldn’t shoot at all.

Apparently a whole ton of scenes were dropped thanks to Lynch picking up an abridgement scene - the montage of Paul taking the spice, including the worms surrounding him in honour. Proves that necessity is the mother of invention, because it’s a great, pivotal moment only thought of afterwards.

Btw, my source for this is a great Youtube channel that does 10 minute reviews it calls ‘Renegade Cut’! E.g. 'Dune: Renegade Cut’. This was were i garnered that last nugget. Lots of Carpenter reviews too - the They Live one is pretty good.

Villeneuve’s choice to do it in 2 movies is the only realistic one and shows (if any proof were needed) that he intends to follow Herbert’s writing closely imo.

Though apparently Lynch had intended to follow Dune with a sequel, which explains the rather abrupt ending, which feels like a tease to more story. Obviously that never happened, which is why i hope Villeneuve is indeed doing it back to back.

Edit: Here ya go!

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#163

Can this cast get any more impressive? It must be the most sought after movie in Hollywood right now.

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#164

And this is the film Danny Boyle made last summer before he planned to do Bond:

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#165

Funny idea actually; I didn’t know any detail about this. Might perhaps play out a bit predictable along the comedy lines this trailer already shows.

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#166

It’s indeed an original and fun idea.

If this were Curtis directing his script I’d fear it being the usual schmaltz. But having Boyles eye and energy at the helm will no doubt counter the smhmaltz. Could this prove the perfect partnership?

Should note though that the great idea wasn’t Curtis’. Another writer gets that credit, with Curtis doing the screenplay. So expect some funny moments - many awakened moments, some funny, others tedious and many a plot contrivance and predictable beats. A crowd pleaser!

I imagine it’ll look and sound great, but underneath it’s the same gags hung on a novel concept.

On a happy note, the story credit goes to a Jack Barth with writing/producing credits on mainly small fry telly over the past couple decades (according to imdb). So this must be a big deal for him and really nice to see someone finally getting that. Good for Jack, whoever he is!

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#167

I don’t think it was ever reported as back to back. In May 2018, Villeneuve said: “I wish I could direct both movies at the same time but it would have been too expensive. We’ll do them one at a time.”

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#168

Thanks! Sounds sensible anyway.

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#169

The first movie will cover the first half of the book, according to Frank Herbert’s son. It will have to be a clear box office hit to justify a sequel. Which explains the star-studded cast they’re putting together. Blade Runner 2049 was not a domestic hit, it was (barely) saved by foreign grosses. So I assume greenlighting two Dune movies back-to-back was never an option. It’s too risky, because, like you’ve pointed out, Villeneuve’s commercial instincts don’t seem to align with market demand. In early interviews he tried to sell his movie as ‘Star Wars for adults’. I understand why he says that, but on the other hand, selling it as highbrow sci-fi is maybe not the way to go.

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#170

It’s more the studio had incredibly unrealistic expectations. If they expect Dune is going to make Star Wars money, just write the word flop now.

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