News on NO TIME TO DIE (no spoilers)

That’s interesting. For me, the allure of Superman lies in all those elements which in the last two decades are often considered bland.

I like that Superman is not about darkness or bitterness but goodness and hope. I enjoy that his abilities are removed from any human being, while he still tries to fit in and has developed a persona which is the opposite of his otherwordlly powers in Clark Kent.

He truly is the hero. No shades of grey. No cynicism. No irony. It says a lot about current times when people snicker about his “boyscout”-behaviour.

Trying to steer this back to “News on Bond 25”: I think Cavill has the quality Reeve also had - showing a pureness, a good-naturedness in his appearance.

Is this something Bond needs? I would argue: yes! Every Bond actor had it to some degree, and I believe MovieBond at least has to signal to the audience that he is not malicious, not constantly in self-doubt or wrestling with demons. He has decided he wants to save people from evil. He’s reliable. He has no superpowers, of course, but in that way he is, IMO, like Superman.

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Superman’s an alien. He’s about otherness - how we treat it and how it treats us in return.

I think WB and Snyder had a genuine shot at trying to tell that story in MOS. My hats off to them for that. It’s just a pity that everything that followed was utter rubbish.

I don’t care for snyders overuse of slo mo, but his gritty, kinetics and sound design is effective. Sadly he all too often gets bogged down in this trying to amp up the drama where there would already be enough drama; the result is dire melodrama.

Consequently his stories and characters are lost and things very quickly congeal into a thick soup of boring scenes that shout the broadest, most homogenous cliches at the audience hoping that volume will compensate for a lack of content.

He needs time off and to start fresh because there really was something engaging about his Dawn Of The Dead remake long ago.

A pity Tim Burtons Superman Lives movie was never shot, since this apparently focused upon the alien aspect. Then again it would probably just be Edward Scissorhands with a cape.

You’re kinder than I am, I put the large gap between with a vengeance and Die Harder, but otherwise I’d put it in the same order.

Didn’t watch 5, it looked like an 80’s direct to vhs starring Steven Segal.

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About 11 minutes in Hoeghlin talks about this.

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:laughing: It wasn’t that good (and I hate Segal movies)

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What have I done!?!

Apologies for derailing this thread. Hopefully some news soon, before we all go and put the world to rights!

Don’t worry, we’re all just waiting and talking…

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On Deadly Ground is Segal’s magnum opus! It truly is an appalling movie in every conceivable way, but all the more enjoyable for it! And with Michael Caine as the villain in his Jaws IV ‘I’m clearly only doing this crap for the pay cheque’ mode, there is so much to relish here!!! Everyone should watch this masterclass of movie making!!!

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Good thinking!

Purvis & Wade apparently back in the game…

Who would have thought? :wink:

Since Baz is reporting this I would interpret it as EON having decided to really scrap the whole Boyle/Hodge angle - which is probably wise since the backlash to a film based on that concept would always include: oh, if only Boyle had directed that… No new director coming in probably wanted to get into that situation.

With P&W EON knows that “the boys” are teamworkers, they are able to deliver on time, and they are used to be tossed aside for any incoming director´s favorite personal screenwriter.

But it seems that the start date of principal photography can hardly be kept if P&W have to start a new script based on their treatment - unless all the major preplanning of action sequences and location work always had been done as a given for the P&W treatment AND the Boyle/Hodge draft.

Maybe it is also true that Boyle/Hodge did not really write a new storyline but offered “just” a variation in a script draft.

In any event it is surprising that EON has not already officially stated that BOND 25 has to be delayed.

That tells me that they are still willing or damned to keep the start date.

But, yeah, if P&W can now deliver the script within the next month, with preproduction moving forward to prepare the major action sequences already set in stone and locations locked in, and a director then coming in and doing the inevitable changes during the last remaining weeks and - heck - well into the shoot, then BOND 25 could still be in theaters in November 2019.

Not an ideal situation, of course, but one big budget blockbusters and Bond films especially have been again and again and again. Sometimes a very good end result was achieved nevertheless. Sometimes… not.

And again this proves that having a lot of time between films does NOT guarantee a production that has its problems sorted out before. Because, unfortunately, that is not how filmmaking works.

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If they really want that 2019 opening (I’m sure the shareholders are giving Eon very little choice), then this makes absolute sense.

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Damn, would they really throw out Boyle & Hodge’s treatment and script?

Interesting to hear Baz say that Boyle left over EON bringing in another writer.

But if EON wanted to bring in new writers anyway, and they now have, why not pursue the Boyle/Hodge script?

Id take some of whats in that with a pinch of salt - as while i think the base article is true, that P&W have returned, the “article” has clearly been gone over by a Daily Mail editor to tabloid it up “top hollywood exec” not a phrase ever said by an actual person and the general sensationalist style to the whole piece. There are still far too many unanswered questions (like if Hodges script was original or a rewrite) to judge anything. Also the assumption that a director will immedietly hire a writer to “put their own stamp on it” is a bit premature, it really depends on the director.

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P&W have to be having a good laugh.

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To themselves, probably, but i suspect theyll be the height of modesty with MGW and BB - it seems to be their ability to work with everyone that makes them EON’s go to people.

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