Agreed. The modern general audience is far more savyy that even 10 years ago.
“Wanna see the new Bond?”
“Yeah sure. That’s right they killed the last guy off. Who’s Bond now?”
“Dunno. Some British guy I’ve never heard off. I’ll ask one my buddies. He’s on one of those fansites where they get all worked up about this stuff.”
“So long as he drives a cool car.”
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Also, do Jack Ryan fans get all worked up about all his incarnations? I wonder …
There was also another Jason Bourne. Anyone remember the Richard chamberlain TV version?
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That was actually pretty close to the original novel. A bit scaled back for tv’s sake, but certainly closer than any Bourne film with Damon.
Does Jack Ryan have fans? I mean, all he does it write books for the CIA. And not that great of ones, from what I’ve heard. I believe James Bond said that Halsey acted stupidly…
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I can’t speak for everyone but I’m treating it as a creative exercise nothing more. My mind has started pulling at a thread and I’m enjoying pulling at it to see where it leads.
Let’s face it, nothing we say here has any impact on what happens next so let the wild speculation begin.
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I really like your idea up through your comments about Felix Leiter. I think that could really work and something the producers COULD be willing to do. The villain, though, would have to be someone who had a vendetta against James Bond and/or M and/or MI6. (I don’t think the Spang Brothers would really qualify on that score. They’re just regular criminals.) The only person that really fits that criteria from the pre-Daniel Craig 007 films is Irma Bunt, but I don’t see them using her just yet. The other option would be to have someone trying to exact revenge for Bond killing their family member on a previous (unseen/unknown) mission. And then of course, Bond gets unbrainwashed and M sends him back after the villain following the credits.
I could also see it where the PTS is Bond fulfilling his mission and then getting caught by the aggrieved family member who says they “have plans for him”, go to credits, and afterwards jump right to Bond one year later back at MI6, this time to assassinate M, and then proceed with the unbrainwashing and sending Bond back after the villain.
Either way would be a great way to introduce the new 007. I COULD see EON going that way, but I don’t know that they would, unfortunately.
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The more I think about this brainwashing the more I like it as a way to introduce the new Bond.
And let‘s throw in a whole family of villains - Bond against the cast of Succession! Cox would be a terrific opponent.
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IMHO the brainwashing is perhaps the last great Fleming idea that has not been mined by EON. And so I would rather see it once an actor is established in the role.
I think most “1st Bonds” are about trying to establish the good vibe between actor and audience as rapidly as possible. The PTS’s of both GE and TLD do that - TD a youthful Bond of action throwing his own punches (in contrast to the preceding film), and GE giving Brozza a throwaway one-liner ("forgot to knock’) in contrast to the “dour” tag that had been thrown at his predecessor.
The brainwashing story-line deserves a film of it’s own, with a Bond we know well and are invested in, going into the film, say an actor’s 3rd film.
I do appreciate how much P&W try to get in as much of what’s left as possible (torture scene from Colonel Sun etc) but I get angry (and not saying it’s their fault) that it ends up too often as a “nod” rather than something fully fleshed out. Take the Garden of Death - I think that deserves to be a hook in a plot, rather than something that I feel was just “hey - it’s the Garden of Death!” - appearance in NTTD.
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Agree. This is why I think something very simple like a “this never happened to the other fellow” scene/line would be perfect. It’s a very quick hat-tip to the Craig series while also winking as if to say, y’all know Bond doesn’t die, we were just having a bit of fun with the last 5. It’s a tiny bit of cinema catharsis, everyone smiles and says, oh ok. No need for any complicated continuity efforts. Just a quick, yeah we did that, it was a thing we did, but Bond is Bond, you know it, we know it. Moving on now.
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For the next one I would like to see a standalone Bond picture set during the 1950’s, even so perhaps a remake of LALD with Idris Elba as Bond. I have no idea how may supporters of Elba there are in this forum but he has good enough acting chops and presence for the role. I know I’m flogging a dead horse here with this selection. However, there can be a multitude of interesting ideas to bridge the gap between ‘same universe’ Bond with ‘Young Eon Bond’, ‘Remake Bond’ etc.
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Shortly after I posted this…
The A.V. Club: Amazon renews Jack Ryan for season 4 even though season 3 hasn’t come out yet.
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Cqsino Royale wasn’t #1 at the box office. Happy Feet was. CGI penguins beat Bond.
Perspective. If NTTD doesn’t make money it’s because of the pandemic. That’s it, nothing more.
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Die Another Day made more money than either Batman Begins or The Bourne Identity.
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The delusion here… Goldeneye was Bond’s greatest hits after a polarising change to a darker Bond in LTK. What next, claiming Adele’s new single is a radical and experimental new direction for her?
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I actually love this idea: the only problem is the context that new Bond could deliver the line, given that virtually everything imaginable has happened to the most recent other fellow. I guess he could say it at the end of the film if he gets the girl, but then again, that may be a touch awkward!
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“Daniel jerk circle” “The woke crowd to die” " you know what physically I’m talking about physically" - what exactly, race, gender, sexuality, if it’s the middle BB has said it won’t be so you needn’t feel threatened. If either of the others then please read the last sentence. As @Orion has subtly pointed out by winning the internet again… I would suggest a nice cup of tea.
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In the meantime, NTTD is making big money around the world.
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Veryflawed.
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Careful, you’re approaching the edge of the Earth there, you might fall off.
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