Shocking Bond Confessions


Wierd. Lazy essentially? Or do the ratings boards assume knowledge of cultural context (I’m musing aloud there)


IMDb has some information:

I remember that the movie had to have a smoking warning in the end credits in some countries (rather unusual at the time), maybe that’s what made it in the end. I can only speak from the German perspective, but the “16” rating is rather strong. Can’t remember any other Bond movie that had more than “12” (ratings in Germany are 0, 6, 12, 16 and 18. With a “12” rating, younger children may watch the movie when accompanied by an adult).


Hmm, I thought it was Raiders. However, Temple of Doom does make more sense…


The assistant director set the explosions off for what he thought was the take, but was actually the final run-through. Mankiewicz tells the story of the fellow abjectly apologizing over and over to Hamilton, who tells him to shut up, and proceeds to direct with only half of the planned number of cameras running. Mankiewicz said it was the greatest job of directing under pressure he ever witnessed.

This anti-spectacle climax fits with the entire “anti-” aesthetic of the film: isn’t this only Bond movie where the weapon/threat is left intact, just waiting in space for someone to re-take control.



I find the second half of GF to be bit a yawn fest, starting from when Bond is a guest in GF’s Kentucky stud all the way to the Fort Knox mission gets started. The Bond/GF mint julip conversation and the Oddjob/Bond fight scene only stood out for me.


I always felt that, in MR, when Drax orders the USSMC shuttle lasered, it should have been the diamond satellite that appears from the turret, thereby answering Tiffany’s question, “How the hell do we get those diamonds down again?”


I do appreciate Goldfinger and its cinematic impact, but indeed, I do find it overrated these days. It’s an autopilot response to the ‘best Bond film’ question. From Russia With Love is the better film in my view.


FRWL is the better film, but is it the best representation of “the Bond film”? It’s missing so many things we associate with the formula: the supercar, the superhuman henchman, the OTT last-reel battle between rival “armies.”

If asked what’s the single best film in the series, I always say FRWL, but in reality the much more common question is, “If I was only going to ever watch one Bond film, which one should it be?” My usual answer is GF ( though my heart is with TSWLM).


That I agree with. I’m fine if someone regards it as their best Bond film because it was the first one to have all the ingredients of what we consider to be a Bond film today. It earns extra points for paving the way…


My somewhat shocking confession (perhaps): My favourite film - ever, not just of the Bond series - is Octopussy. It has it all: exotic locations, excitement, humour, action and some great lines (“Mr Bond is a rare species, soon to be made extinct!” and “Go out there - and get him!”).

People give it stick for the Tarzan yell, but that’s literally two seconds in a 131 minute film. The clown sequence is also, I think, misunderstood, as it’s a serious, tense scene, while the train sequence is one of the most underated in the series.


With the exception only of the producers, no Bond film represents the best work of anyone involved in it.


That’s quite a sweeping statement.
Ken Adam, John Barry and Terrence Young would all come to my mind as a counter argument.


Sticking by it (it is only an opinion, though) for two of the folks you name although since I don’t think I have seen anything else by Terence Young that one remains neutral. Adam and Barry both did better things.

I accept that the killer flaw in my argument is Lulu. Lulu did her best work with James Bond. It was dreadful, but her best work nonetheless.


Such as…?:thinking:

And I still stand by my reply that your op is a sweeping statement given that there will be many, many others besides Terrence Young (who basically created Connery’s Bond) whose work you do not know.


To be fair, as much as I love Barry’s Bond scores, didn’t he get an oscar for his out of africa score? Could argue that is his best work (though i ultimately prefer his Bond, Ipcress, Quiller, Knack, and other scores). I prefer Moore’s range in The Saint and The Persuaders, ditto for Connery.

But ultimately the Bond films are more than just ‘this and that’s person’s best/not best work’ - it’s the mix of qualities that makes us love them. Surely the best ‘mix’ of work for anyone involved? (at least with the Connery-Lazenby-Moore era)


This seems like a more balanced view. :clap:Even so, I don’t think an Oscar automatically makes one soundtrack better than one without the award: critical acclaim is often more due to the worthiness of a film than anything else. Just with the Bond theme itself, Barry created something that was instantly iconic and has stood the test of time: I would weight this above an award for the soundtrack of a more or less forgotten film… but then again, I am ludicrously biased​:japanese_ogre:


One r in Terence, on this occasion. There’s some rough work done at the font.

Obviously sweeping, and I suspect another flaw in the argument is the career of Maud Adams. I suspect the Bonds she populated are the best work of Maud Adams.

I do prefer Yaphet Kotto in Alien, though.

Since you ask, and evidently it’s only personal preference and what appeals to a long-jaded eye, and ear, Dr Strangelove for Adam and various bits of tv for Barry.


I have an inverse “shocking confession,” then: no Bond movie is my favorite film and although I don’t usually make numbered lists, I doubt any of them would crack my Top 5. Top 10, maybe.

As far as “best work,” I don’t think John Glenn ever directed a better film than his Bonds , and I consider “Moonraker” the high point of Derek Medding’s brilliant career.

I would agree that all 6 Bond actors have done better outside of the series except Lazenby (even Roger, who was more at home as the Saint, arguably a more entertaining character, anyway).


It is an interesting thought that as much of a Bond fan as I am, so too doubt any of them would crack my Top 20 or so movies.

I also think it would make for an interesting thread - list some of the Bond stallwarts (Young, Adams, Maibaum, Barry, the actors, etc) and name what you think was their best individual work on a Bond film.

It would have to be a set list of 10 or so people so tallying it up would be easier. It would be interesting to see if one movie comes up more than others…


Completely agree, (though I still cringe when I hear that “that should keep you in curry for a few more weeks” line). I’ve written, ad nauseum, about how the clown scene is horribly misunderstood. Octopussy has a great Bond girl, a charismatic villain, a great, late Cold-War thriller plot, Moore doing quintessentially Moore things, and fantastic locations. It is one of the most watchable films in the franchise, second, IMO, to only Tomorrow Never Dies on that front.