# What do you think about the NTTD release date?
**URL:** https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/t/what-do-you-think-about-the-nttd-release-date/1537
**Category:** No Time To Die (No spoilers)
**Created:** [March 4, 2020, 7:02am UTC](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/t/what-do-you-think-about-the-nttd-release-date/1537 "2020-03-04T07:02:14Z")
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### Author:  [@stromberg](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/u/stromberg)
#### Post date: [April 5, 2021, 5:11pm UTC](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/t/what-do-you-think-about-the-nttd-release-date/1537/2392 "2021-04-05T17:11:52Z")
> [@Dustin](#):
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> With regards to MGM and it’s proposed sale, of course MGM has a card up its sleeve with NO TIME TO DIE. But it’s entirely not sure it’s an ace. May not even be a knave or a nine.
James Bond won millions in CR with a seven and a five in his hand. The clearly watch the wrong movies and don’t seem to understand that usually, life’s not a game of poker 😝
> [@Dustin](#):
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> The key to the sale of MGM is very much the chemistry between the potential buyer and the powers that be: Do they agree on the big and the small of it? Is there a clear understanding where the creative authority lies? How do we proceed from here - here being some point in 202x - with a clean slate and what’s going to be the grand picture for Next Generation 007?
Not entirely. If the buyer is a company with enough money who doesn’t need Bond as a cash cow, they simply can sit it out and force Eon to agree to things they don’t want, because else, nothing will be greenlit at all. Bond is their only asset, which was no big problem with a weak partner like MGM. But if MGM is bought by, say, Disney, they could starve Eon to death on a single outstretched arm.
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### Author:  [@Orion](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/u/Orion)
#### Post date: [April 5, 2021, 5:22pm UTC](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/t/what-do-you-think-about-the-nttd-release-date/1537/2393 "2021-04-05T17:22:54Z")
Provided there isn’t a pandemic between your film being made and it being released which starves off both your main sources of income, but when is that likely to happen…
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### Author:  [@Dustin](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/u/Dustin)
#### Post date: [April 5, 2021, 6:10pm UTC](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/t/what-do-you-think-about-the-nttd-release-date/1537/2394 "2021-04-05T18:10:07Z")
> [@stromberg](#):
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> But if MGM is bought by, say, Disney, they could starve Eon to death on a single outstretched arm.
But does Eon need these films made? Really _need_?
I’m not sure about that. To the best of our knowledge they have no expensive hobbies like fighting wars or staging up ‘Empire 2.0’ to keep Mail readers happy. They dabble a bit on the fringes of entertainment with the odd production, but these things seem at least to pay for their own rent.
Let’s imagine there just won’t be any Bond project in the 20s, and maybe not even until the late 30s - I don’t really see Ms Broccoli or her family starving. As far as I can tell they comfortably sat out several years (since 2002 at least) for the simple pleasure of making these films the way they want. Maybe they’d just be content and don’t move at all?
Sure, it would be dead capital, much like these artworks stored in warehousing-in-bond in TENET. But these things exist. And Eon doesn’t have to answer investor calls. They could probably keep Bond shelved a decade and still buy the Buckingham Palace without the public taking notice…
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### Author:  [@secretagentfan](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/u/secretagentfan)
#### Post date: [April 5, 2021, 6:21pm UTC](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/t/what-do-you-think-about-the-nttd-release-date/1537/2395 "2021-04-05T18:21:13Z")
I guess that’s the main point here. BB and MGW could just stop.
MGM cannot.
But regarding NTTD there will be people who want their investment come to fruition this year.
ASAP.
Abbreviations suck, I know.
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### Author:  [@Dustin](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/u/Dustin)
#### Post date: [April 5, 2021, 6:30pm UTC](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/t/what-do-you-think-about-the-nttd-release-date/1537/2396 "2021-04-05T18:30:17Z")
Yes, I imagine if Disney/Amazon/Apple/Netflix bought MGM there would be a certain expectation the acquisition shows signs of adding to their output in the not too distant future. None of these really _needs_ Bond either - but why buy it if you’re not going to play with it?
If some CEO set his mind to get Bond under his control and then do, I don’t know, Playmobil-Bond, that would surely lead to a stalemate. And for a time said CEO would possibly have the backing of his investors. But if it’s not going to show signs of progress it would sooner or later look like a massive mis-investment.
PS: Thinking about it from that point maybe the perspective really is to keep Bond wrapped up and away from the public for a period to let the public appetite for a fresh series of films grow? I mean, you can hardly have NO TIME TO DIE finally released (by whichever means) and start your casting and preproduction as if there was a huge demand and impulse behind it.
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### Author:  [@secretagentfan](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/u/secretagentfan)
#### Post date: [April 5, 2021, 8:09pm UTC](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/t/what-do-you-think-about-the-nttd-release-date/1537/2397 "2021-04-05T20:09:46Z")
> [@Dustin](#):
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> Thinking about it from that point maybe the perspective really is to keep Bond wrapped up and away from the public for a period to let the public appetite for a fresh series of films grow? I mean, you can hardly have NO TIME TO DIE
I guess this would be the most sensible way to go anyway. Who knows when a Bond film can get financed again the way they are used to, with the risk of a new actor to tank?
End it now and wait.
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### Author:  [@MrKiddWint](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/u/MrKiddWint)
#### Post date: [April 5, 2021, 8:12pm UTC](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/t/what-do-you-think-about-the-nttd-release-date/1537/2398 "2021-04-05T20:12:19Z")
> [@Dustin](#):
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> Sure, it would be dead capital, much like these artworks stored in warehousing-in-bond in TENET.
Nice multi-layered reference.
> [@Dustin](#):
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> Thinking about it from that point maybe the perspective really is to keep Bond wrapped up and away from the public for a period to let the public appetite for a fresh series of films grow?
Maybe if what is presented is a re-imagining of Bond on a deep level. Another introspective, agonized straight male with a drinking problem is not going pass muster.
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### Author:  [@Dustin](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/u/Dustin)
#### Post date: [April 5, 2021, 8:30pm UTC](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/t/what-do-you-think-about-the-nttd-release-date/1537/2399 "2021-04-05T20:30:39Z")
Maybe we would have to take a look at how things will develop after the pandemic anyway. What kind of an atmosphere in societies will there be; how will work, travel, entertainment come out and what will hit the soft spot of the audience?
I have little doubt that Bond will be a good investment in the long run. But there will probably have to go some consideration into how the series can proceed and what shape the production will take in the future. As pointed out before, the tentpole production with a budget of a small country’s GDP is likely not a model for much longer. Can there be found alternative ways to create revenue from the franchise? And if so, which ones wouldn’t risk to cheapen the core product?
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### Author:  [@sharpshooter](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/u/sharpshooter)
#### Post date: [April 6, 2021, 12:23am UTC](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/t/what-do-you-think-about-the-nttd-release-date/1537/2401 "2021-04-06T00:23:03Z")
> [@agentbug](#):
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> Something I hadn’t considered before but which occurs to me reading these recent comments – the reviews will be all important for this film.
On Rotten Tomatoes, Godzilla v Kong has C+ reviews labelled as fresh. I’ve seen the movie, and it was harmless fun, but could there be some cheering going on to help bring people back to cinemas?
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### Author:  [@MrKiddWint](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/u/MrKiddWint)
#### Post date: [April 6, 2021, 1:30am UTC](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/t/what-do-you-think-about-the-nttd-release-date/1537/2402 "2021-04-06T01:30:39Z")
> [@Dustin](#):
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> What kind of an atmosphere in societies will there be; how will work, travel, entertainment come out and what will hit the soft spot of the audience?
I think this is key. I do not believe that we are going to see the return of the pre-pandemic state (even more than moderately modified). Too much has happened (at least in the United States) over issues of inequality, race, sex for the new normal to be just a version of the old normal.
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### Author:  [@Orion](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/u/Orion)
#### Post date: [April 6, 2021, 10:05am UTC](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/t/what-do-you-think-about-the-nttd-release-date/1537/2403 "2021-04-06T10:05:04Z")
> **[‘Godzilla vs. Kong’ Box Office Success Lifts Movie Theater Stocks](https://variety.com/2021/film/news/movie-theater-stocks-amc-imax-1234944531/)**
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> The box office success of “Godzilla vs. Kong” lifted exhibition industry stocks on Monday, reinvigorating the share prices of leading theater companies such as AMC, Imax and Cinemark. T…
MGM - it’s now on you to not drop the ball with your marketing.
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### Author:  [@Navy007Fan](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/u/Navy007Fan)
#### Post date: [April 6, 2021, 10:19am UTC](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/t/what-do-you-think-about-the-nttd-release-date/1537/2404 "2021-04-06T10:19:10Z")
> [@Orion](#):
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> MGM - it’s now on you to not drop the ball with your marketing.
See No Time to Die! We’re not kidding this time! 😉
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### Author:  [@Orion](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/u/Orion)
#### Post date: [April 6, 2021, 10:22am UTC](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/t/what-do-you-think-about-the-nttd-release-date/1537/2405 "2021-04-06T10:22:57Z")
No Time To Die - the bank says this is the last loan for marketing!
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### Author:  [@secretagentfan](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/u/secretagentfan)
#### Post date: [April 6, 2021, 2:18pm UTC](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/t/what-do-you-think-about-the-nttd-release-date/1537/2406 "2021-04-06T14:18:20Z")
We really wanted to earn money this time but… idiots prevented it by provoking a new mutant strain.
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### Author:  [@Jim](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/u/Jim)
#### Post date: [April 6, 2021, 2:23pm UTC](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/t/what-do-you-think-about-the-nttd-release-date/1537/2407 "2021-04-06T14:23:35Z")
“Worth seeing, but not worth going to see.”
Perhaps not.
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### Author:  [@Orion](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/u/Orion)
#### Post date: [April 6, 2021, 3:09pm UTC](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/t/what-do-you-think-about-the-nttd-release-date/1537/2408 "2021-04-06T15:09:26Z")
_Our survival as a conglomerate is worth more than your survival period._
_Why are you looking at us like that?_
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### Author:  [@chrisno1](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/u/chrisno1)
#### Post date: [April 6, 2021, 3:51pm UTC](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/t/what-do-you-think-about-the-nttd-release-date/1537/2409 "2021-04-06T15:51:54Z")
An interesting set of replies since I last posted, and a general consensus that if we are looking forward, it is the Bond 26 which which is more important. NTTD won’t lose any money - no Bond film does - pandemic or not it will recoup its investment - but where does the series go from here? Tom Cruise has been proactive in ensuring the continuation of his very contemporary zippy Mission: Impossible franchise even through lockdown. I see none of this advance thinking from EoN, who IMO appear to be drifting. They are waiting for things to happen rather than making them happen and the drawn out chaos [I use the word unwisely] surrounding NTTD and its release date only emphasises this.
I almost wish they’d thrown it to the wolves Covid or not and just had done with it.
I really like James Bond, but this is a wearisome escapade and is not being aided by unclear strategy. Maybe I expect too much…
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### Author:  [@Orion](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/u/Orion)
#### Post date: [April 6, 2021, 3:56pm UTC](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/t/what-do-you-think-about-the-nttd-release-date/1537/2410 "2021-04-06T15:56:02Z")
> [@chrisno1](#):
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> a general consensus that if we are looking forward, it is the Bond 26 which which is more important
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### Author:  [@secretagentfan](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/u/secretagentfan)
#### Post date: [April 6, 2021, 3:59pm UTC](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/t/what-do-you-think-about-the-nttd-release-date/1537/2411 "2021-04-06T15:59:17Z")
> [@chrisno1](#):
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> Tom Cruise has been proactive in ensuring the continuation of his very contemporary zippy Mission: Impossible franchise even through lockdown.
The films were greenlit and planned before the pandemic - Cruise probably had no real choice but to push through.
EON has a finished film and an unclear situation with MGM. Do they have plans for the future? Of course. But they will not talk about it right now because it would not make any sense.
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### Author:  [@stromberg](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/u/stromberg)
#### Post date: [April 6, 2021, 4:55pm UTC](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/t/what-do-you-think-about-the-nttd-release-date/1537/2412 "2021-04-06T16:55:06Z")
> [@chrisno1](#):
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> They are waiting for things to happen rather than making them happen and the drawn out chaos [I use the word unwisely] surrounding NTTD and its release date only emphasises this.
They have no other choice but waiting for things to happen, because there’s almost nothing they can _make_ happen. Except of course bringing this movie out, do or die. And until now, the a decision to do that would have almost certainly resulted in “die” (for which, as we all know, there’s no time).
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