With a Mind to Kill out in May 2022

I’m all for that, and it does seem like a missed opportunity. Star Wars is an obvious example of filling in all aspects of the timelines. I have no idea what Dynamite’s future entails, but a comic series would also do the trick if it’s not novelizations. It could also be applied to previous Bond actor eras - eg. showing the ‘African job’ Bond is returning from during the MR pre-title sequence.

I’d be all over that type of content.

A little early morning exercise to clear his head ahead of the working day? I do it. Bond may too! :laughing:

That’s a fair assessment.

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I think this nails the issue. Horowitz’s pastiches will always be that–one author imitating another’s style, because of the difficulty of achieving a synthesis between the two styles and worldviews (and pastiches can be highly enjoyable).

An interesting counterpoint is Lawrence Osborne’s Philip Marlowe novel “Only to Sleep.” As one reviewer put it: “That paragraph is both Chandleresque to its bones (the odd constructions, the ping-ponging of near-stream-of-consciousness, the mythic, sad framing) and pure Osborne.” He goes on to note how Osborne melds his own preoccupations with Chandler’s. Osborne has one advantage: he is writing about an older Marlowe (the novel is set in 1988) who has left Los Angeles and is in Mexico, a place Osborne knows as well as Chandler knew L.A. Osborne’s Marlowe Is both the same and different, and the way he has aged seems believable.

A different tack is taken by John Banville (writing as Benjamin Black) in “The Black-Eyed Blonde.” Here, the pastiche element seems more prominent, since Black sets the novel immediately after “The Long Goodbye.” The prose and plot ably imitate Chandler, but I am not certain Black’s viewpoint melds as well with Chandler’s. As a result, something seems lacking–one reviewer called it a hollowness at the core of the novel. Black gets Chandler’s style down, but his heart is not in the same place as Chandler’s was, and I think it shows despite all the great writing.

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Chandler is a very good example pro and contra pastiche. The 1988 collection Raymond Chandler’s Philip Marlowe - A Centennial Celebration packs a number of young authors of the then-blooming PI genre (Max Allan Collins, Sara Paretsky, Loren Estleman, Robert Crais, Roger L. Simon) and let’s them have a go at Marlowe. The result is often amusing and entertaining - but sadly for the most part not on par with what these authors produce for their own original characters.

In 1989 finally Robert B. Parker was hired to expand the Poodle Springs fragment into a full novel, to some extent a similar task Horowitz faced with his Bond books. But while Horowitz could at least invent his own plot (you could cut the racing episode from Trigger Mortis and still have a Bond adventure) Parker’s effort had to go with what Chandler left behind and I don’t remember a lot from that.

Two years later Parker wrote Perchance to Dream, a perfectly superfluous sequel to The Big Sleep. I remember merely that it was more Spenser than Marlowe, not much else. Though it must have been at least enjoyable enough for me to keep it on board through three times moving house and stored it for a year while I was living in another country. But did I reread it? No.

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It is exactly that issue, in another medium (TV) the reimagining of the source material of the Watchmen made for a much richer and satisfying viewing experience. All the newer Bond novels suffer in my opinion because they are written with the same constraints as fan fiction. I haven’t read Carte Blanche so it may be an exception.
A new Bond Novel can utilise the familiarity people have with the character and play with themes of relevance, of Empire and colonialism. Like Heat, that familiarity if tropes can free the reader to a deeper level of nuance and character. ( Heat as a film uses our subliminal memory of Pacino as cop and workaholic driven man v our memory of De Niro as an outsider loner cool detached, this backstory is already in our heads so we can go deeper )
This is where the novels can surely have more freedom to manoeuvre than EON have.

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I genuinely enjoyed Forever and a Day. Not as much as Trigger Mortis, which could stand with some of the Fleming entries (the only thing I didn’t like was shoehorning Pussy Galore into it).

BIG difference between acid and water, as acid tends to act instantly and water does nothing. Absolutely nothing.

Bond WOULD have known the damn difference. It’s poor writing and the book sucks. Get Horrowitz away from Bond. Pronto.

I think a good point to start with Horowitz is his Alex Rider series. I liked them a lot and I think they demonstrate Horowitz‘ love for Bond clearly enough, even if it’s through the focal point of a youth adventure series. I urge you to give them a try, @008. They do show promising potential and even if I didn’t like Trigger Mortis it’s evident enough Horowitz handles suspense and action better than Boyd’s Solo in comparison.

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Higson and Horowitz (briefly) talking Bond.

The latter refers to his in the present tense and Higson’s in the past…

…I know, clutching at straws, but it seems like Horowitz is still optimistic about doing a third.

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The key for Horowitz may perhaps be found outside Bond.

In Britain he is by now a household name, contributing to such classics as Midsummer Murders and Poirot as well as creating Foyle’s War and New Blood, amongst which Midsummer Murders is perhaps the most successful export. He came to be known abroad via his Young Adult series and more recently to some extent for his two Holmes books.

But what I think was his breakthrough was in fact his own Hawthorn and Ryland books which seem to be well-received and made it to the popular display tables in bookstores around here. That would guarantee a translation of any of his other works and likely inspire fans of non-Bond series to pick up his 007 works too.

Much as I like William Boyd in general that particular prospect cannot have been overwhelmingly prevalent with Solo…

Maybe we should also take a step back and give the general idea of the ‘continuation novel’ some thought. We, the fans, regularly give them stick since the days of Amis and Gardner. They are either ‘not Fleming’ or ‘too pastiche’, too modern or not faithful to the canon. My own reviews of the various entries make no exception there; I’ve not been overly kind to Horowitz or his predecessors either.

But what does the continuation novel really want to achieve? It is - in the best sense - fan fiction. Fiction for fans written by fans. The difference to what we used to write and publish on CBn is, at best, one of professionalism and extent. Not of the general aim: to appeal to the fans. The continuation doesn’t try to invent the wheel anew. No more than an episode of Midsummer Murders would aim to thematise social rifts and inequalities in modern Western society.

The continuation tries to deliver exactly what the fan wants. Surprises are welcome only insofar as they remain within the limits the readers grant.

One might of course wait for the Great Espionage Novel that manages to reconcile the holy trinity of British spy fiction Fleming-Deighton-le Carré with contemporary literature canon, top the bestseller lists across the globe and earn itself the Nobel prize for literature. A work that at once satisfies the feuilleton and the airport newsagent customer looking for a quickie genre thriller. But that’s simply not going to happen.

If we set out to judge Horowitz’ two Bond adventures the mark should probably not be set too high. If we look at the sub-genre of other continuations - like Winslow’s Shibumi prequel or the countless Holmes entries, Philip Marlowe, the Bourne series - it’s evident enough none of them kicked off a big demand for more outside their respective niche audience. The real yardstick cannot be sales figures alone - though of course they have to sell to be produced - but simply whether they amuse their readers for a little while.

For that though we must give them the chance to. It’s of no consequence if there’s a wrong detail or three (Fleming wasn’t too precise with his own work either)…as long as there’s a bit of Bond to be found and we want to find out how he’s going to get out of the tight spot. As long as we have a little fun with an exciting tale and forget the world around us for a couple of hours.

I think that should be the benchmark to judge the affair against.

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The Hawthorne books are very good. The first one has possibly the best killer reveal in modern whodunnits.

This is an interesting watch, and, the more I hear him talk, the more I want to read a third Bond novel from him.

Horowitz go-to for defining evil is a specific Bond villain…

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Wasn’t sure where to put this but I thought it was pretty funny. Knives Out/Last Jedi director Rian Johnson:

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44 minutes in; If he was to do a third, and he “does feel awfully possessive of Bond”, it would be at the end of Fleming’s timeline.

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Good idea!

Glad to hear it. That’s exactly what I would want given the timelines of his previous two books. I was hoping to read the third book had been announced upon clicking this thread, but alas it was not to be.

I still wish he would examine the Sherlock Holmes/James Bond family tree. It’s been implied in other media that the two were related. Who better to write it up than Mr. Horowitz?

Anthony was asked on Twitter recently when we’d see a new Bond book from him. He said “let’s just say we’re in discussion.” Fingers crossed for a favourable outcome.

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Horowitz keeps the Bond flag flying for many fans, along with the new comics. Now having to wait for NO TIME TO DIE the announcement of a third Bond adventure by Horowitz would surely be welcome with many fans. Let’s hope for the best.

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At this point, I can’t tell which is more incompetent: MGM or IFP. Is there any particular reason we’ve had 3 years with nary a peep from them about the next Bond novel? I think the last time they were silent for this long was when Benson resigned until Faulks was announced to be writing Devil May Care and even then, we had the young Bond novels and the Moneypenny Diaries in the interim. It was 3 years between DMC and Carte Blanche, but at least Carte Blanche had been announced. It seems like, at this rate, the next Bond novel will be released in 2023, at the earliest.