# Zencat's DAD review: "THE BEST BOND MOVIE EVER?" **URL:** \ **Category:** Films\ **Created:** [August 10, 2017, 11:26pm UTC](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/t/zencats-dad-review-the-best-bond-movie-ever/198 "2017-08-10T23:26:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![glidrose](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/g/ce73a5/32.png) [@glidrose](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/u/glidrose)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2017, 11:26pm UTC](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/t/zencats-dad-review-the-best-bond-movie-ever/198/1 "2017-08-10T23:26:04Z")
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**Author:** ![glidrose](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/g/ce73a5/32.png) [@glidrose](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/u/glidrose)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2017, 11:33pm UTC](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/t/zencats-dad-review-the-best-bond-movie-ever/198/2 "2017-08-10T23:33:55Z")
Guy Haines said… > [@](#): > > “I wonder what it is about fourth Bond films? […] Is it because the film makers start pushing how far they can go with a particular Bond actor or style? Or the law of diminishing creative, if not commercial returns setting in? I only ask because of course Spectre is Craig’s fourth film, and I just hope that this time next year we aren’t making similar comments about that.” Interesting because Spectre clearly is the most bloated of Craig’s four films IMHO. Your other comments raise interesting questions about why “Fourth Bond films” turn out this particular way. Bryce (003) said… > [@](#): > > Guy Haines said… “I wonder what it is about fourth Bond films? […] Is it because the film makers start pushing how far they can go with a particular Bond actor or style? Or the law of diminishing creative, if not commercial returns setting in? I only ask because of course Spectre is Craig’s fourth film, and I just hope that this time next year we aren’t making similar comments about that.” Was there a “Spectre On Set” book? ---
**Author:** ![secretagentfan](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/user_avatar/quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/secretagentfan/32/504_2.png) [@secretagentfan](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/u/secretagentfan)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2017, 2:56pm UTC](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/t/zencats-dad-review-the-best-bond-movie-ever/198/3 "2017-08-11T14:56:20Z")
Yes, there was! Nice photos but, of course, no real intel on the production that goes beyond the usual PR stuff. ---
**Author:** ![theSpectre](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/user_avatar/quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/thespectre/32/567_2.png) [@theSpectre](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/u/theSpectre)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2018, 7:31pm UTC](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/t/zencats-dad-review-the-best-bond-movie-ever/198/4 "2018-04-16T19:31:30Z")
And still this thread will not die. ---
**Author:** ![Gobi-1](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/user_avatar/quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/gobi-1/32/529_2.png) [@Gobi-1](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/u/Gobi-1)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2018, 10:00pm UTC](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/t/zencats-dad-review-the-best-bond-movie-ever/198/5 "2018-04-16T22:00:40Z")
This thread…kill it with fire. Anyway I think that Moonraker and Spectre are both great forth films for Moore and Craig. They’re not boring like Thunderball or as stupid as Die Another Day. I’ll take a double take pigeon over Jinx any day of the week. ---
**Author:** ![Bryce\_003](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/user_avatar/quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/bryce_003/32/545_2.png) [@Bryce\_003](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/u/Bryce_003)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2018, 12:58am UTC](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/t/zencats-dad-review-the-best-bond-movie-ever/198/6 "2018-04-17T00:58:00Z")
16 years later… Part of it is Zencat’s review… and my premier party that year for the 40th here in L.A. Yeah… ---
**Author:** ![secretagentfan](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/user_avatar/quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/secretagentfan/32/504_2.png) [@secretagentfan](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/u/secretagentfan)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2018, 5:21am UTC](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/t/zencats-dad-review-the-best-bond-movie-ever/198/7 "2018-04-17T05:21:54Z")
I do remember my first viewing because it was a special preview in Cologne, Germany, with Peter Lamont attending. The cinema itself was a small, old and ugly box. The film started with no sound. The lights went on and the film had to be restarted. From then on, however, the audience was absolutely in tune with the film, laughing, applauding, wowing. DAD was appreciated and enjoyed fully. Afterwards, the “conversation” with Peter Lamont was, unfortunately, awkward since hardly anyone wanted to ask him questions, so the moderator of the evening asked the usual ones. Lamont must have thought afterwards: what a wasted night. But still, the movie worked like gangbusters. Sure, even I noticed the bad CGI. But it did not take me out of the picture. It was more of what I love about these films, this gung ho-see if we care-you don’t think we’re brave enough to dare to do this-attitude. Kind of like: You think the CGI looks rushed? So what? Would you consider this sequence less over the top if it looked perfectly realistic that a man would build his para-sail-thingee from that vehicle while a glacier melted and a tsunami wave threatened to wash over him? Writing this I must agree. The bad CGI almost works like a wink to the audience: yep, the whole thing is ridiculous - so stop asking for a more “realistic” special effect. Or do you really believe the Avengers fly through the air and land on one knee just because it looks so real? C´mon… Apart from that, I do consider DAD a fun film, with the first half trying out unconventional things that deserve recognition, and the second half being just pedal-to-the-medal outrageousness. And to me it is the quintessential anniversary film, a greatest hits package with nods to everything that came before. Is it my favorite Bond film? No. But it is simply fun and does its job: I am entertained. ---
**Author:** ![David\_M](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/user_avatar/quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/david_m/32/508_2.png) [@David\_M](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/u/David_M)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2018, 3:49pm UTC](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/t/zencats-dad-review-the-best-bond-movie-ever/198/8 "2018-04-17T15:49:01Z")
> [@secretagentfan](#): > > Kind of like: You think the CGI looks rushed? So what? Would you consider this sequence less over the top if it looked perfectly realistic that a man would build his para-sail-thingee from that vehicle while a glacier melted and a tsunami wave threatened to wash over him? That’s my bigger gripe: this scenario is too stupid by far, and even competent effects work wouldn’t have changed that. The fact that they phone it in just adds to the insult. On the other hand, I find a perverse appeal in your suggestion that they made the CGI laughable on purpose. In a film jammed full of “homages” to earlier entries, we could perhaps take it as a callback to all the crummy rear projection work of the old days. GF gave us a laser, so DAD gives us a fight with a dozen spinning lasers. MR gave us Bond wielding a sword in a property-damaging, running battle, so DAD gives us a swordfight that drags on three times as long and wrecks even more stuff. Everything in this film is bigger and louder and more over-the-top, so why not the CG? It’s like they’re paying homage to vintage scenes of Roger “skiing” in front of too-obvious rear screen by ramping up both the stunt and the fakeness to Level 11. I like it. Unfortunately, it’s a bit undone by the DVD commentary, where everyone pats themselves on the back for doing such a great, “convincing” job of it. The stunt itself left me embarrassed, but it was that groundless bragging that made me hate. ---
**Author:** ![zencat](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/z/ac8455/32.png) [@zencat](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/u/zencat)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2019, 12:22am UTC](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/t/zencats-dad-review-the-best-bond-movie-ever/198/9 "2019-03-04T00:22:10Z")
One day you will ALL see it my way. 😜 ---
**Author:** ![Matt\_13](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/82dd89/32.png) [@Matt\_13](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/u/Matt_13)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2019, 1:30am UTC](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/t/zencats-dad-review-the-best-bond-movie-ever/198/11 "2019-03-04T01:30:11Z")
Amazing lol ---
**Author:** ![theSpectre](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/user_avatar/quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/thespectre/32/567_2.png) [@theSpectre](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/u/theSpectre)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2019, 4:22am UTC](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/t/zencats-dad-review-the-best-bond-movie-ever/198/12 "2019-03-04T04:22:46Z")
The thread that will…Die Another Day. ---
**Author:** ![Bryce\_003](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/user_avatar/quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/bryce_003/32/545_2.png) [@Bryce\_003](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/u/Bryce_003)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2019, 4:44am UTC](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/t/zencats-dad-review-the-best-bond-movie-ever/198/13 "2019-03-04T04:44:43Z")
Well, some things are like good malt whiskey. Better with age. ---
**Author:** ![odd\_jobbies](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/user_avatar/quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/odd_jobbies/32/548_2.png) [@odd\_jobbies](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/u/odd_jobbies)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2019, 9:49am UTC](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/t/zencats-dad-review-the-best-bond-movie-ever/198/14 "2019-03-04T09:49:45Z")
Unless tainted by a fizzy mixer! ---
**Author:** ![Jim](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/user_avatar/quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/jim/32/502_2.png) [@Jim](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/u/Jim)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2019, 1:28pm UTC](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/t/zencats-dad-review-the-best-bond-movie-ever/198/15 "2019-03-04T13:28:38Z")
> [@Bryce\_003](#): > > Well, some things are like good malt whiskey Drink enough of it and Die Another Day seems over in seconds. ---
**Author:** ![theSpectre](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/user_avatar/quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/thespectre/32/567_2.png) [@theSpectre](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/u/theSpectre)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2019, 6:49pm UTC](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/t/zencats-dad-review-the-best-bond-movie-ever/198/16 "2019-03-04T18:49:46Z")
I don’t know, if I drink enough of it, it usually makes me vomit seconds into DAD ---
**Author:** ![stromberg](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/user_avatar/quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/stromberg/32/534_2.png) [@stromberg](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/u/stromberg)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2019, 7:07pm UTC](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/t/zencats-dad-review-the-best-bond-movie-ever/198/17 "2019-03-04T19:07:38Z")
Golden rule: stay away from the blended stuff. ---
**Author:** ![David\_M](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/user_avatar/quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/david_m/32/508_2.png) [@David\_M](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/u/David_M)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2019, 7:23pm UTC](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/t/zencats-dad-review-the-best-bond-movie-ever/198/18 "2019-03-04T19:23:38Z")
Zencat! Well, that made my day. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![jameshots007](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/e99b99/32.png) [@jameshots007](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/u/jameshots007)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 2:26am UTC](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/t/zencats-dad-review-the-best-bond-movie-ever/198/19 "2019-05-01T02:26:14Z")
DAD was far more entertaining then Danny Downers 4 films… ---
**Author:** ![DaveBond21](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/e5b9ba/32.png) [@DaveBond21](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/u/DaveBond21)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 5:24am UTC](https://quarterdeck.commanderbond.net/t/zencats-dad-review-the-best-bond-movie-ever/198/20 "2019-05-01T05:24:20Z")
Zencat!! I always loved this post and was guilty of/credited with resurrecting it twice or three times…