Before and After the Re-Watch: The Bond Films

THUNDERBALL

Before:
The underwater Bond. The McClory Bond. The first “fourth one” going over the top. Connery becoming overwhelmed and bored. The biggest box office for Bond ever. Long, overlong at times, especially in the underwater sequences. - Yes, that was what swirled around this film in my mind, and the last time I rewatched it several years ago I remember checking my watch again and again, feeling that this was my least favorite Connery Bond. So I hesitated for a long time to return to it.

After:
Stupid me. This time, really open to experiencing the film again, I was absolutely thrilled and entertained throughout. And guess what - I thought it moved extremely fast from beginning to end. Even the underwater sequences. Bond is constantly in jeopardy, always trying new things to thwart Largo, always getting set back - this is really consequently enabling the narrative to keep up the tension and have the villain be a true opponent. Something which the lesser Bond films undervalue.

And Connery, really, seems to be having the time of his life, shining in every moment. I love his hand gesture while smiling innocently when Largo comments on his card playing finesse and luck. By the way: Fiona’s remarks on Bond thinking he could turn women really are a direct comment to the predecessor´s scene with Miss Galore. Kudos for that during a time in which lesser films would not have put the hero in his place.

Sure, I have some nitpicks: Fiona wearing the big Spectre ring is kind of too obvious (even if she remarks she just loves to wear it). And I still wonder how the bullet that kills her can slip through Bond´s fingers without hitting them. But that’s just details. We were still in that time when no one really cared about realism in entertainment.

So, another film that unjustifiably had landed on the lower rungs of my rankings. Now shooting upwards. As the final quip of “Thunderball” (why is my auto-correct turning it into “Thunderbolt”?) so funnily states: “Never too late to learn.”

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YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE

Before:
Trying to top TB and going over the top. Connery is finally bored and phones it in. Pleasance has a scar. The hollowed out volcano. The awkward „Japanese“ makeup for Connery. Not a great Bond, probably the weakest of the Connery films. Still fun.

After:
The first hour, I must say, I was wildly entertained. Bond in a completely new environment, with great photography and Barry surpassing his work on Bond films for the fourth time in a row, and the fantastic idea of the aerial shot on the Kobe deck with Bond fighting off his attackers while the title song melody plays triumphantly - what’s not to like? I haven’t seen this in the fourth films preceding this, and I am willing to say: YOLT is really fantastic.

Then, with Helga Brand showing the scalpels but quickly allowing Bond to destroy her dress with them, followed by the weird way to kill him after all (a wooden plank over his hands?), the film finally comes to a dead end in the overlong sequence when Bond has to marry and look like a Japanese fisher in order to… not be recognized by Blofeld? The whole „Naval Commander was murdered“ -front page idea apparently was as useless as a bad hairpiece. Oh, wait. Or the attempt to kill a sleeping Bond with a string on which poison runs along…only for him to turn sideways and the sacrificial lamb cuddling too close and licking the deadly drop. Why don‘t you just wake up? If the drop had been a fly would you lick it away, too? And why wasn’t someone around to say: we need a better scene?

Thankfully the finale is visually impressive (ninjas in a hollowed out volcano! Ninjas before LTK could steal that idea for a much lower budgeted version) but it also is hampered by Blofeld catching a case of expositionitis and I-never-kill-you-when-I-easily-could-syndrom.

The worst mistake YOLT makes is how shameless it is in stringing together setpieces which are just there because it needs to keep the audience awake. Previous Bond films always hid that showmanship by connecting it with the plot, heightening the danger in which Bond is. For example: in TB Bond is getting closer to expose Largo‘s plan, but Largo constantly tries to trap Bond. In YOLT Bond has little time to stop WWIII but has to spend days in the countryside, with two attempts on his life (who is responsible for security in Tanaka‘s camp, by the way?), and if he is already detected and targeted, why does he go through with that marriage charade?

Connery, I must say, however, does not look bored at all. He just gets much too few scenes to shine. The fact that he still manages to be charismatic (and not break out into laughter or shingles during the „transformation“ into the tallest Japanese fisher ever) proves him to be a one of a kind actor.

I was lukewarm about YOLT before and am even lukewarmer (?) about it now. I still like the first hour. And the score and the photography are wonderful. But for my taste, this is really the weakest Connery Bond. What a breath of fresh air OHMSS is after that.

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Well…it works as long as you keep your eyes focused on Bond and not the various pursuers who obligingly slow their pace or stop completely so Bond isn’t caught and defeated. To me, this scene demonstrates the importance of camera placement and staging in a scene; pull back far enough and the illusion is often ruined.

Yes, given that she could have killed him in the previous scene when he was bound, or presumably in his sleep after sex, it seems pretty wasteful to sacrifice an airplane to do him in. What was the plan, to have his death look accidental? I can see the air crash investigators reviewing the crash site now: “Well, here’s the problem right here. The fellow was trying to fly the plane from the back seat!”

We see a similar plan in MR when, rather than just shoot Bond and toss him out the door of the plane, the attackers shoot the controls and hope Bond won’t molest them on their way through the cabin. Planning isn’t a forte for these folks.

I do have to wonder, though, where was that wooden plank before it slid into place over Bond’s lap? Wouldn’t it have to be sticking out the side of the plane? If so, wouldn’t that have set off an alarm for Bond? Maybe not, since it also doesn’t seem to have bothered him that Helga boarded the plane wearing a parachute…

I never gave that one any thought. I guess it’s logical that you might lick a drop of liquid that hits your lips while asleep. But yes, it’s uncommonly bad luck for Aki that her lips end up in exactly the wrong place given that the target was the much taller Bond.

This is one of those things that plays as “ancient assassination method brought to the screen,” but now that you bring it up, I have no idea if there’s any historical validity to it at all. On the upside, like the castle and Garden of Death in the novel, it does add a certain exoticism and fairy tale quality to the proceedings.

And does he spend every day in the village wearing a ninja suit under his fisherman’s costume – complete with several fairly ginormous suction cups – just in case this is the day he finds a hidden, stainless steel lair that he has to climb down into?

I find the cinematography hit or miss. Some of the scenery is gorgeous, but there’s an overuse of lousy rear projection throughout. Bonus points, however, for finding a way to light that huge volcano set.

Agreed on the score: it’s phenomenal.

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I´d say we would not be talking about Bond films today if Barry’s scores had not lifted them up again and again to form a perfect union.

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All true, but Moonraker gets a free pass on everything because… it’s got fricking lasers… in space… and space marines… flying around a space station that no one noticed being built… by men carried in space shuttles launched from a lost civilisation in the Amazon rainforest. My God, just typing this makes me want to watch it when I get home: “Play it again, Sam” indeed! :nerd_face:

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Thirteen seconds pass between Drax picking up the laser gun, and Bond killing him with a wrist dart. Enough time for some banter, and for Bond to raise his hands (slowly) in order to position the weapon.

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The thing is, MOONRAKER’s pts is one of the few elements even its detractors seemed to like. I remember being totally awed when I saw it the first time. Even the novelisation - minus Jaws* - is a thrilling read!

*And where exactly was Jaws hiding in that small-ish Learjet? It’s not as if he was in the same league as Nick Nac.

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Maybe you remember that I read in the script that Jaws is for a smal part secretly seen sitting next to the pilot’s chair.

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The “stewardess” pulls off a rubber face mask, Mission:Impossible style, to reveal she was Jaws all along.

For the record, I love the MR PTS and still consider it the best in the franchise by a country mile. The logic issues are a non-issue because the pay off is so worth it, unlike the YOLT plane sequence which besides making no sense IMO adds nothing to the film and could just as easily have been left out.

And I totally agree about the novelization, which is terrific all the way around. I wish they could’ve found a way to include that sequence where Bond spends a few terrifying moments in space without a protective suit. But as compensation I’ve got my teaser poster where Roger ditches his helmet without a care in the world.

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Without doubt, the definitive Bond poster🤷‍♂️

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LICENCE TO KILL

Before:
The tough, the gritty, the most Daltonesque of Daltons. A budget crunched. The first real rogue Bond. A revenge thriller. The last Dalton. The Bond which no Bond followed for six years. The original Craig which was only bested by the actual Craig going rogue for his whole tenure. The one film which was supposedly really going back to Fleming and had critics rave about it… twenty years later, after they had flogged it for being a Miami Vice episode with an uncharismatic and dour Bond actor.

On a personal note: I remember being excited for it (despite the terribly cheap photo collage on the poster), going into the cinema with high expectations and leaving with the feeling of “okay, that’s it for Bond then”. I enjoyed “Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade” that summer a lot more. Even “Batman”. And “Lethal Weapon 2”. After “Licence to kill” I entered my “film student phase”, leaving my Bond films taped from the tv vulnerable to overtaping with arthouse fare. Or “Hydrotoxin” with Brosnan. Yes, I was done with Bond.

Later on, when I hopped back on the Bond train, I saw LTK again on videotape and thought… um… well, it´s okay. But nowhere near my favorites. And even later on I rewatched it and thought: Oh, yes, this is a great and gritty Bond film, so Fleming-like, hah, an underrated film and I am now team Dalton big time!

My last re-watch also confirmed my opinion (informed by many others who adored it and whose club I desperately wanted to join, you know, being one of the cool kids). And now?

Brace yourself, you can already see where this is going…

After:
So I rewatched this after rewatching YOLT. And while I still think that Dalton gives it everything he’s got, I made a disconcerting discovery: LTK is not what it is rumored to be. It is not gritty, it is not a tough and totally Fleming-esque thriller.

It is a typical Bond film, softening every attempt at hardening it up, employing the usual puns, action set pieces and an overly cute Q scene (no, make that at least three of them).

John Glen has said he thinks this is his best Bond. It isn’t. It´s his worst. Because despite his expertise at handling action, camera placement and editing, here he really is revealed as not being good with actors AT ALL.

Yes, again, Dalton is great - and so is Davi. But everybody around them was either not directed or not directed well enough. Carey Lowell is all over the place: tough at first but on the boat (after that absolutely absurd bar brawl sequence which belongs in a Hill/Spencer-spoof and NOT in a gritty Fleming Bond) weirdly going in for a kiss on the, um, bloody mouth of Bond, which somehow leads to her acting like a school girl. Okay, a school girl who can pilot a plane. But I had forgotten that there isn’t only the teary eyed scene at the end when Pam thinks Bond is favoring the prom queen. There is also a precursor to that in the hotel when she apes Lupe´s way of speaking. And Q is rolling his eyes (I was too) as if he is on stage for a bedroom farce.

If you look at the rest of the supporting players, maybe Anthony Zerbe still knows what he’s doing because he has done this sort of part tons of times before. But the others? So many - including Benicio del Toro - seem to be cast because they were cheap but not for their acting resume (like the CIA agents and Sanchez´ goons, really delivering the dialogue without convincing me).

The idea of Bond so disturbed that he wants to resign in order to seek revenge might be interesting at first - but his argument with M is so out of character (“I owe it to Leiter”). Wouldn’t he know that he cannot just take time off to take revenge? “We´re no country club, 007” indeed. It would have been more interesting to have Bond persuade M to let him stay on the job because he had found out about Sanchez´ gameplan and then ignored everything in order to take revenge.

By the way: Sanchez´ gameplan really is not that exciting. A different way to smuggle drugs. Yeah, lots of money involved, sure. But… in a Bond film? No wonder it was ridiculed as a “Miami Vice”-episode. Which actually always looked much more stylish and visually interesting. I know, I know - the budget was brutally slashed. But then they should have rethought the whole idea and not have gone for that overlit and often just colorless look which especially for a more or less one location story adds to the sameness of it all.

As for the “grittiness”: you don’t make a movie gritty by showing more cruelty and blood. The worst offender is the grinder in which del Toro gets maimed (by the way: is grinding a pet peeve for the Bond producers? “A View To A Kill” already has a KGB agent thrown into a propeller.).

At least the finale with the truck chase works magnificently, and Bond lighting up Sanchez is a fitting end. (I know I just complained about brutality, but in contrast to the Fargo-ing of del Toro this is poetic justice and a good use of the lighter given to Bond in the beginning.)

The PTS is fine, too, and the Michael Kamen score (looking forward to listening to it on the LLL release in its entirety) uses the Bond theme much more than I remembered.

And while the film moves quickly and is well edited I still got bored a lot of the time, I believe, because Bond here really is stumbling through the proceedings, endangering the CIA covert operation, causing the death of many involved. One might say: hey, that’s Bond for you. And it is true, he often causes collateral damage and never gives it a second thought.

But in LTK he is supposed to be NOT flippant or winging it because he likes to provoke and then react as in all the previous adventures. In LTK he is supposed to avenge Della and Felix, not enjoying anything, single-mindedly following his own strategy which is… winging it. Just go with the flow, I have all the time in the world. At no time he thinks: oh, maybe Mi6 will try to get me for this or even send out people to stop me.

And they don’t, really. We even have Miss Moneypenny (one scene, very badly directed) sending out Q against M´s wishes to help poor Bond.

Nobody gets fired for this, of course. And M just stops caring mid-film.

So… what do I think of LTK now after re-watching it?

It´s watchable for some parts. But nowhere near… good. It´s just ideas in search of a better plot and a better execution.

Especially after TLD which I loved (and hope and expect to love after rewatching) Dalton would have needed a really strong second film. He did not get it. (Brosnan got a much better second film, actually.)

One more thing: Della is kissing Bond on the mouth a lot. It seems she would have rather married him than Felix, doesn’t it? And the way the film forgets to give Bond a reunion with Felix at the end, telling him that he really avenged Della for him, is unforgivable. Here is the reason for everything Bond risked - and he has only time for a phone call which he quickly ends because he has to kiss Lupe and then jump into the pool to console the crying CIA pilot? (Why jump into the pool, which also looks not very good - hey, at least let Bond do a Connery-jumps-from-the-oil-rig-professional-swimmer-dive!)

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You have perfectly formulated what I think about LTK, with the difference that I have thought this from day one and even find the tanker car chase long-winded and not really a grand finale for a Bond film.
Only Kamen’s score has gotten better and better over the years. Can’t wait to hear the gun barrel music completely remastered on the new CD.

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Totally agree with all of this and thanks for articulating it better than I could.

Interestingly (to me, anyway) I saw this in '89 with my future wife and she quite liked it, whereas she’d been largely indifferent to all the other Bonds I’d made her sit through on VHS. At the time, it helped temper my own “meh” rating to realize that Eon was taking a few bold chances and trying to steer the ship towards a new audience, folks who up til now might not have cared about Bond. My theory was that introducing personal stakes for 007 and making him less of an imperturbable superman was the key to the film’s appeal more than the increased levels of violence which, to be honest, was still tame compared to a lot of films and, as you say, neutered somewhat by the frequent retreats to the “hey, it’s all in fun” Bond vibe. Anyway, even though I wasn’t crazy about it, I didn’t think it was awful either and I respected it as a bold (for Eon) gamble to reposition the franchise for a new era.

35 years on, though, it still gets a “meh” from me. I like TLD a lot better.

This is the first film (but not the last, thanks to Craig) where I think the villain’s “scheme” is beside the point. Bond is in it for revenge, and it wouldn’t matter if Sanchez’ crimes were mass murder, DVD piracy or tax fraud. “Drug smuggler” is merely his job description, while “Felix and Della’s attacker” is what he is to Bond, and why he needs killing.

And like the Craig films, that makes it all simultaneously more emotionally involving and less objectively consequential.

This bothered me a lot at the time, his getting all the other agents killed. But maybe they’d have been ambushed anyway? I don’t know, but it’s not a good look for Bond, nor is it when he plays “what a helpful chap” with the MI6 agent in QoS. It goes a bit beyond “oops” and makes you question whether you should still be rooting for him.

Also, thanks for mentioning the flat lighting in this film. The original Star Trek series proved just how impressive inventive lighting can make things look even on a shoestring budget, but LTK has the look not only of a TV show, but of a cheap TV show. In that respect, it’s less “Miami Vice” than “Walker, Texas Ranger.”

Happy for you guys about the LLL reissue of the soundtrack, but that’s another mark against the film, for me. At least GE would immediately follow, so LTK didn’t have to spend too long as my undisputed worst score of the official series. I’m not saying GE is worse, but at least now there’s a contest.

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Hey, don’t mess with Walker, Texas Ranger, or the Chuck gets very mad at you and that is something you don’t want.

Because for example:

A city messed up and named a street Chuck Norris but after a few deaths they had to change it, because no one crosses Chuck Norris and lives.

Or:

Death had a near Chuck Norris experience once

Chuck Norris doesn’t wear a watch. He decides what time it is.

Chuck Norris was kamikaze pilot, 7 times.

When chuck Norris turned 18 his parents asked permission from him to move out of his house

I hope you learned your lesson, my friend.

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Yup.

Territory already covered in DAF (weddings gone bad seem to inspire roguish behavior).

He had been allowed to do so in DAF. Bond probably failed to read the updated MI6 Personnel Manual (no surprise). The difference is that with DAF the audience never sees Bond and M hash it out, but get only Bond’s return and M’s testiness.

Isn’t there a grinding in OHMSS? Also some different grinding in DAF?

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I always watched DAF as if Bond is allowed by M to get his revenge, or even that it is an assignment to get and kill Blofeld. Never saw it as Bond goes rough.

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The LICENCE TO KILL grinding is probably an unused idea from the LIVE AND LET DIE drawer. They were scouting for locations on Jamaica and wanted to use a sugar cane mill - but supposedly decided it was too dangerous a site to use, even for a Bond film. Perhaps they just couldn’t figure out a good way to stage a fight in the place. The fight in LICENCE’s cocaine mill isn’t terribly good either.

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There is not one good fight with Dalton as Bond. I always find him look clumsy in fightscene’s in some way. The only good fight is the kitchen fight in TLD, but that is whithout him, but we already covered that ages ago, if I remember correctly.

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I was going to say that THE LIVING DAYLIGHTS’ Landrover fight looks thrilling - but having just rewatched it on YouTube I see there’s very little actual fighting going on and most of the thrills come from the stunt driving.

However, at the time the scene earned cheers and applause from the audience, as I remember. I was actually waiting for a similarly engaging fight as in the kitchen when Bond meets Necros. Sadly, that Hercules loading bay doesn’t even come close.

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Another thing about LTK: when Bond fails to make his “flight to Istanbul,” notice that M’s solution is to hop on a plane himself and fly all the way from London to Florida – with a team of agents in tow – so he can yell at Bond in person.

Your tax dollars at work.

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