Before and After the Re-Watch: The Bond Films

I do not think it is a matter of being plebeian at all. Meta has both a fun side and a serious side, with the fun side often being (mis)labelled as camp.

That is how I am seeing SP more and more thanks to the interventions of @Dustin and @secretagentfan. I enjoy the capaciousness of the film, which allows it to accommodate elements of seriousness, comedy, surrealism, horror, meta, and probably other elements I am not picking up on.

The other four CraigBond movies are serious (to a fault?), and your argument makes it clear to me how callbacks to earlier/less serious Bonds could pull/push a viewer out the films.

I hit the milestone of 65 this coming Monday, so I feel your geezerhood.

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SP very much works as a (bad) dream. As noted in various places around the web, there’s a valid interpretation where Bond dies in the torture chair when the drill enters his brain, and the rest of the film – with things like blowing up a whole enemy base with a lucky shot, taking down a helicopter with a handgun, leaping the full height of the MI-6 building into a handy net and finally driving off in a miraculously restored DB5 to a happily-ever-after with the bimbo du jour – is a dream he experiences as his life functions switch off.

Of course NTTD ruins that interpretation by killing him all over again, but the era isn’t exactly famed for its subtlety, either, so dying repeatedly kind of fits.

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To be fair, I would have been down for that… especially if it happened to catch the double taking eye of a certain pigeon :man_shrugging:

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I understand what you‘re irritated by - but looking at that scene, BrosnanBond does not say that nor anything like „I remember those“. He just looks at the stuff, as if it were curious things lying around in Q‘s lab. We recognize them, and we are meant to associate them with Bond in general. But no connection is made to the Bond du jour.

The Aston in the Craig era works in a similar way, only here it is the car Bond won in CR and apparently had Q put some additional extras in. The same as in GF, sure, but even the new Aston in SP, outfitted for 008, has these extras - so it is established as Q‘s obligatory car equipment.

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And switch the steering from the left to the right.

Alas, it still bugs me because either it’s Bond’s personal vehicle and we’re looking at misuse of government funds (and a serious lack of concern for public endangerment), or Bond at some point offered to donate it to the service, in which case why has he hidden it away in a privately owned storage shed? And if it’s not his private storage, then why didn’t MI-6 come and claim it when it cleaned out his apartment and sold off all his stuff?

I get it, people love the car and any flimsy pretext is enough for them as long as they can get it. But I still credit Roger’s switch to the Lotus as a ballsier move than falling back on the tried-and-true. The franchise has always had trouble moving forward while constantly looking back over its shoulder, and I’m afraid the Amazon Era will probably just push the self-referential, backward-looking elements into overdrive.

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I gave FRWL a watch yesterday and took some time to write down my thoughts:

The PTS has a great tense atmosphere and gets the audience feeling uneasy. Bond is vulnerable. He misses a shot, is being stalked and finally gets taken down. The mask twist doesn’t make logical sense but from a filmmaking point of view it works. It sets the tone of Bond being in SPECTRE’s crosshairs. Grant using his garrotte on the Bond double becomes more foreboding when he almost succeeds on the real target aboard the train later in the film. Short, sweet and effective.

Setting up Kronsteen, Grant and Klebb before we even meet Bond strengthens the film. Their plan is the bedrock of everything that follows, setting the trap that Bond will walk in to. It’s fitting the first time we see Bond properly he’s relaxing by the river while his enemies are hard at work. Sylvia Trench was a fantastic character and it’s so good seeing the very Fleming inspired 1935 Bentley. Forget about period piece movies - we already have this and it won’t be beaten.

For it’s day the car phone and pager were cutting edge technologies. These aspects may seem dated today but the series has always been at the forefront, and it should continue to be.

The Q briefing is interesting in the sense Boothroyd is playing it straight. It’s his first official scene in the series and he’s getting to know Bond. He knows he’s been away all day, seemingly late for the meeting - but he gives him the benefit of the doubt. It makes sense he only changes his tone to impatience once equipment has been damaged or destroyed in the subsequent films.

The hotel room inspection is the laid back pace I’d love to see return one day. It’s not an action scene but nonetheless it receives the James Bond Theme playing over the top. There’s no way you’d see this today but it works. This is young, engaged Connery and I don’t think it can be topped. He looks great and exudes charisma. He’s tough when needed but affable and not uptight, shown singing and laughing at various points in the film.

After all these years Kerim Bey stands tall as the greatest ally in the series. He’s just so likeable and genuine. When Bond says “how can a friend be in debt” you feel those aren’t throwaway words. Tania is also like this. You can’t help but fall in love with her good heart and sense of innocence despite the knowledge of who she’s working for.

The gypsy camp sequence is a perfect showcase for how I think Bond should fight. He has the aura similar to an observer, entering a battlefield where he’s outnumbered but still managing to have a big impact. Bond isn’t Superman and FRWL knows it. If he can avoid strenuous activity it makes sense to do so. He’s mostly relying on shooting long range targets, and those who come too close for comfort.

He’s a killer and that’s how Bond should be. But he’s always looking to use the environment to his advantage, which he does numerous times: collapsing the tent over the fighting men and sending the flaming carriage towards others. The times he does use his fists it’s for quick takedowns. The OHMSS beach fight touched upon this style of fighting, but FRWL did it first.

I admire the espionage tone we receive, from Kerim’s periscope, filming Bond and Tania’s lovemaking, the consulate blueprints, and various other things. Much like the effective use of shadow in the PTS, the shooting of Krilencu has a great atmosphere and the “she should have kept her mouth shut” quip is just perfect. Very matter of fact but hilarious, segueing nicely into one of the most famous Bond scenes of all time: Bond meeting Tania, the template for all those Bond auditions.

The train sequence is an all timer, and if there could only one in the series I’d choose this. It’s where the Bond and Tania dynamic flourishes, all alone together inside the cabin. The fashion show and general lounging around is “charming” as Kerim himself put it. Grant entering the scene changes the tone yet again, with their meeting outside ripped straight off the pages of Fleming. Once again a very moody atmosphere.

The standoff with Bond on his knees is no doubt Connery’s single best piece of acting in the role for my money, or in this case 50 gold sovereigns. He’s both impressed and disgusted, but very much done for. It’s talking that keeps him alive. He uses a gadget but he still has to work for his survival with one of the most ferocious scraps put to film. I have no idea how many times Grant said “old man”, but Bond’s singular use of it has me punching the air with satisfaction.

After the nighttime sequences on board the train it’s a visual oasis to see the wide open green fields with Bond being chased by the helicopter. Those close call passes, particularly the one that nearly decapitated Connery, are special to me. Now that is a commitment to real stunts, way back in 1963. I like how we have attaché case popping up again to show it’s far from a single use item. I know people call this and the boat chases tacked on, and perhaps they are. But I wouldn’t change them for the world. By this point I think the film has earned this type of expansive action, and it emphasises the lengths SPECTRE are going to.

In a world of bigger is always better, it’s a breath of fresh air for the film to end with a low key confrontation inside a hotel room. The Bond/Tania relationship that was built up beforehand is tested, and again, Bond was moments from death. That’s what FRWL does best right until the end: solid character work, vulnerability and a sense of desperation.

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There’s an old quote (maybe from the late 80s) where MGW talked about the script process and said something along the lines of “We always start wanting to emulate FRWL but invariably the script ends up somewhere else.”

I suspect that FRWL will always be one of its kind, not in its deference to the source material (a number of films since have been truer adaptations of their novels - I’d offer TB and OHMSS) but in that it’s the most “realistic” (in a Cold War sense) of the films and the “smallest.” The set-piece is a punch-up in a train compartment!

And yet it’s the film that cements SC interpretation (it’s more seamless than DN’s Bond cocking his hat like a navvie), and his Bond is as most honestly threatened in a way that the superhero Bond of GF-onwards never is. While IMHO Tatiana is a total dud spud, Kerim Bey is brilliant, and the five minutes before the fight as good an interaction between Bond and villain in the entire series, with SC displaying just the right amount of honesty and faux-vulnerability opposite’s Shaw’s assortment of grunts and one-word answers.

Should all the Bonds have been like that? History makes it clear, obviously not. But if it didn’t exist, the series would not have survived either.

Brilliant stuff.

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Great review. I agree with everything you said except From Russia With Love is NOT Boothroyd’s first official scene–it’s his second. His first was in Dr. No with Peter Burton in the role. M even calls him Maj. Boothroyd when he leaves the room. But I like your explanation for why Q/Boothroyd is irritated with Bond from Goldfinger onwards. It makes a lot of sense. The only real gadget in DN was the portable Geiger counter, and it was undamaged, so Desmond Llewelyn’s Q/Boothroyd was still “on good terms” with James Bond. However, that obviously changed after FRWL, so the attache case must have gotten pretty beaten up (and bloody?) during the Red Grant fight.

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I should’ve specified it as Llewelyn’s first scene, but FRWL still feels like the real launch for the character as we know him with Burton like a technicality. The pay attention phrase is there and Desmond is a man of ingenuity, rather than just a gun supplier.

I’d have to check but I’m pretty sure DK’s Secret World of 007 book states this.

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Best Bond Girl duo, hands down. And the #2 duo is another Brosnan film.

Rewatches are always great, I’m about to start a rewatch of a lot of Bond movies myself. 17 out of the 25 official ones or so is the plan, just skipping a few I’ve seen in the last couple years etc.

I’ll say when I rewatched License to Kill a couple years ago, it knocked my socks off. And Living Daylights which I had only caught the first half of for whatever reason back in the day, also loved that on this watch. And now the Daltons are among my favorite Bond movies. In general I love the 80s Bond movies a lot, some of my fav theme songs too.

I guess this thread would be the place to post how my upcoming rewatches go?

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Yes, go for it. I’ll be interested to read your thoughts.

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Very cool, thanks!

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Just rewatched Diamonds Are Forever. Loved it! Really fun movie, my jaw was pretty much on the floor half the time at home awesome it is. Just wild and delightful stuff.

I hadn’t seen this since I was a kid on VHS, and I had thought it might be a middle of the road entry in the series. Thankfully lots of fans (like on here) have been giving it props as a classic, and I’ve been curious to retry it. Glad I did!

Since my fav stuff is often the more over-the-top and a bit campy stuff, and Roger Moore is my favorite, it makes sense that I now dig this one so much. But yeah, love the vibe, I love that Bond is having fun pretty much. And even when he’s in a jam, I like the humor of it. And Jill St. John is terrific, reminds me of Fujiko from that classic Lupin the Third anime franchise. Love a funny femme fatale. And I love Q’s scenes, like the slot machine gag.

And definitely the supporting players like Wint & Kidd are great. Could have used another scene or two from Lana Wood, she was very fun. And Charles Gray (who I love from Rocky Horror and Shock Treatment) is really uniquely charismatic as Blofeld.

Plus on top of the fun and outrageousness, the movie also is exciting and thrilling too. So pretty much, the movie rules, and now it’s for sure one of my favs.

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From that review, looks like we may have the same top 11 James Bond films after all! smh :crazy_face: :smiley:

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You Only Live Twice (1967)

The PTS raises questions but I like the shock factor premise. Bond faking his death and going undercover mirrors Connery’s own feelings about the character invading his privacy and wanting to disappear. That meta aspect makes me appreciate the idea all the more.

The score, song and title sequence are all works of art.

I really enjoy everything up until the meeting with Tiger and think it has a good flow. The briefing on board the submarine is creative and the sumo match provides atmosphere. The meeting with Henderson and the Sumo driver fight are both well done. As I said in another thread it’s very underrated and edited well. Even better than the Oddjob encounter at Fort Knox.

Not really fond of the Japanese disguise and I think the mute coal miner alternative works better in the novel. The helicopter footage on the car television screen doesn’t make sense but the car drop itself is impressive. The Kobe Dock fight is one of the most cinematic moments in franchise history with the camera work and use of music.

Bond jumping down from the building is a precursor to the jump from the oil rig in DAF. Impressive feats from Bond and he doesn’t think twice when making both leaps.

Helga taking Bond on board the plane doesn’t make much sense. The Little Nellie sequence is straightforward but still good fun - probably Connery’s best vehicle action sequence apart from the DB5 use in Goldfinger. Not really a fan of the wedding sequence, but the volcano base sequence holds up rather well. The tension of Bond sneaking inside, getting the astronaut disguise and finally meeting Blofeld face to face.

Pleasance isn’t my favourite incarnation but he does feel like a proper supervillain and has presence. The finale in the ocean repeats the ending of Thunderball. It’s probably the weakest Bond film of the 1960s but that’s hardly an insult. After revisiting the movie I see there’s a whole lot I like about it despite the reputation of it being tired or lesser.

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Diamonds Are Forever (1971)

Bond gets his revenge against Blofeld, either for killing Tracy or the spacecraft thefts from YOLT - take your pick. There’s humour but it’s dark humour. You can tell Bond means business and his methods are rougher. The would be Blofeld double is drowned in the mud. Bond doesn’t know the gun is a water pistol, but it still feels like collateral damage of a vendetta.

Pushing ‘Blofeld’ into a steaming hot mud bath without hesitation is a very ruthless and intimate act. I think the whole sequence is preferable to the opening of FYEO, especially if it was also a self contained sequence that served as a real end for the character.

Bassey’s song is pure class. Barry’s score is one of his best. Ken Adam delivers what you would expect.

The briefing with M about the diamonds is both enjoyable and with underlying meaning. That’s the trend. Bond seems absent minded, but is still sharp enough to answer questions correctly and school M on sherry, perhaps in a passive aggressive way after M’s comment about getting back to good solid work. You get enough indication to sense he’s still reflecting on the “most satisfying” events of the pre title sequence.

Wint and Kidd’s introductory sequence is just about as good as it gets for evil henchmen. The music is appropriately creepy and mysterious, which suits the isolated location of the desert. The use of a scorpion to kill is very Fleming and they were remote detonating helicopters well before Stromberg. Creepy and offbeat, it ticks a lot of boxes.

The meeting with Tiffany is fun but again has more going on under the surface. Tiffany changes her appearance and thinks herself to be in control. Bond is using an alias and is actually the one doing the tricking. The dynamic between these two is one of the most enjoyable in the Connery era.

The Franks fight is great. The “you just killed James Bond” comment shows just how big of a player Bond has become up until this point, and the wallet swap consolidates the deception Bond started earlier with the fake fingerprints. Tiffany is more or less getting to know the real Bond through his “cute comments”, but it’s still under a different circumstance.

I’d say this Felix is the weakest of the lot. The knowing discussion Bond has with Slumber is amusing to watch, how both are keeping in character and playing their role for the moment. The would be cremation had no possible escape other than what we see, and I love how it breaks that prior charade with Tree’s brazen demand for where the real diamonds are.

Great to see Connery in the white tuxedo again. Bond walking around the casino and dealing with the goons shows Connery’s charisma and the dialogue to be the film’s driving force. Hiding in the back of the van allows Bond to do some sneaking, which I like. The film does enter comic strip territory here with the inspection but I can’t deny it’s enjoyable to see Connery deliver these lines. I was never really taken by the slow moon buggy sequence but the visual of it driving away is nice and bizarre. The car chase in Vegas makes up for it.

The casual way Connery gets on top of that elevator from his room, smells the flower and then uses the piton gun with the Vegas skyline shining in the background is coolness personified. Ken Adam’s penthouse set is great, and the conversation with the other Blofelds is also appropriately bizarre.

Being being placed inside a pipeline is a good idea, even if driving out to do so is silly. Bond being bested by Bambi and Thumper isn’t far fetched or insulting to his abilities when you consider their athletic skills and age. It’s pretty funny that this moment makes me feel concern for Bond in a way some other confrontations don’t. It’s two on one. Dunking them both underwater is satisfying and allows Bond to paint things as playing around.

Blofeld gets to use his satellite which makes his threat level high and credible. The oil rig isn’t the most glamourous setting for a finale, but it’s good enough. Bond and Tiffany get another fun meeting with the two of them working together with the marching tape, which I’ve always liked.

The helicopter attacks can’t help but feel inferior to the raid on Piz Gloria a film before. The 007 Theme gets a triumphant rendition though, and it’s satisfying to see Gray lose his mind as the bathosub gets swung around. Gray relished every single scene he was in. Love the dive off the rig - Bond as the effortless professional.

The final scene with Wint and Kidd is one of my favourite scenes in the whole film. It has a similar energy to FRWL’s low key confrontation with Klebb who also enters Bond’s accomodation and tries one last murder attempt. Funny, clever and with menace - that’s DAF and that’s how it ends. It was Roger Moore’s favourite Bond movie and you can see why.

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@sharpshooter A superb appreciation. We could not have said it better ourselves.

We were thrilled to be the first henchmen to get our own musical motif.

It was that damn assistant director setting of the explosions too soon. Luckily, we had Guy Hamilton at the helm, who managed the situation with aplomb.

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“I will handle it.”

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Technically, I think Oddjob has the first henchman motif with that two-note xylophone (or whatever instrument it is) sound. But for a full-fledged “song”, yes, it’s Wint and Kidd.

Yeah, that damn assistant director’s nearly unforgivable mistake is, to quote Mr. Kidd, “most annoying.” I really wish we could have seen the intended result because what we have now is very lackluster. Although, having said that, Diamonds Are Forever also has, unfortunately, the worst special effects in the series, so it makes one wonder how much better the finale could have been?

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