Before and After the Re-Watch: The Bond Films

I do not think it is a matter of being plebeian at all. Meta has both a fun side and a serious side, with the fun side often being (mis)labelled as camp.

That is how I am seeing SP more and more thanks to the interventions of @Dustin and @secretagentfan. I enjoy the capaciousness of the film, which allows it to accommodate elements of seriousness, comedy, surrealism, horror, meta, and probably other elements I am not picking up on.

The other four CraigBond movies are serious (to a fault?), and your argument makes it clear to me how callbacks to earlier/less serious Bonds could pull/push a viewer out the films.

I hit the milestone of 65 this coming Monday, so I feel your geezerhood.

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SP very much works as a (bad) dream. As noted in various places around the web, there’s a valid interpretation where Bond dies in the torture chair when the drill enters his brain, and the rest of the film – with things like blowing up a whole enemy base with a lucky shot, taking down a helicopter with a handgun, leaping the full height of the MI-6 building into a handy net and finally driving off in a miraculously restored DB5 to a happily-ever-after with the bimbo du jour – is a dream he experiences as his life functions switch off.

Of course NTTD ruins that interpretation by killing him all over again, but the era isn’t exactly famed for its subtlety, either, so dying repeatedly kind of fits.

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To be fair, I would have been down for that… especially if it happened to catch the double taking eye of a certain pigeon :man_shrugging:

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I understand what you‘re irritated by - but looking at that scene, BrosnanBond does not say that nor anything like „I remember those“. He just looks at the stuff, as if it were curious things lying around in Q‘s lab. We recognize them, and we are meant to associate them with Bond in general. But no connection is made to the Bond du jour.

The Aston in the Craig era works in a similar way, only here it is the car Bond won in CR and apparently had Q put some additional extras in. The same as in GF, sure, but even the new Aston in SP, outfitted for 008, has these extras - so it is established as Q‘s obligatory car equipment.

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And switch the steering from the left to the right.

Alas, it still bugs me because either it’s Bond’s personal vehicle and we’re looking at misuse of government funds (and a serious lack of concern for public endangerment), or Bond at some point offered to donate it to the service, in which case why has he hidden it away in a privately owned storage shed? And if it’s not his private storage, then why didn’t MI-6 come and claim it when it cleaned out his apartment and sold off all his stuff?

I get it, people love the car and any flimsy pretext is enough for them as long as they can get it. But I still credit Roger’s switch to the Lotus as a ballsier move than falling back on the tried-and-true. The franchise has always had trouble moving forward while constantly looking back over its shoulder, and I’m afraid the Amazon Era will probably just push the self-referential, backward-looking elements into overdrive.

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I gave FRWL a watch yesterday and took some time to write down my thoughts:

The PTS has a great tense atmosphere and gets the audience feeling uneasy. Bond is vulnerable. He misses a shot, is being stalked and finally gets taken down. The mask twist doesn’t make logical sense but from a filmmaking point of view it works. It sets the tone of Bond being in SPECTRE’s crosshairs. Grant using his garrotte on the Bond double becomes more foreboding when he almost succeeds on the real target aboard the train later in the film. Short, sweet and effective.

Setting up Kronsteen, Grant and Klebb before we even meet Bond strengthens the film. Their plan is the bedrock of everything that follows, setting the trap that Bond will walk in to. It’s fitting the first time we see Bond properly he’s relaxing by the river while his enemies are hard at work. Sylvia Trench was a fantastic character and it’s so good seeing the very Fleming inspired 1935 Bentley. Forget about period piece movies - we already have this and it won’t be beaten.

For it’s day the car phone and pager were cutting edge technologies. These aspects may seem dated today but the series has always been at the forefront, and it should continue to be.

The Q briefing is interesting in the sense Boothroyd is playing it straight. It’s his first official scene in the series and he’s getting to know Bond. He knows he’s been away all day, seemingly late for the meeting - but he gives him the benefit of the doubt. It makes sense he only changes his tone to impatience once equipment has been damaged or destroyed in the subsequent films.

The hotel room inspection is the laid back pace I’d love to see return one day. It’s not an action scene but nonetheless it receives the James Bond Theme playing over the top. There’s no way you’d see this today but it works. This is young, engaged Connery and I don’t think it can be topped. He looks great and exudes charisma. He’s tough when needed but affable and not uptight, shown singing and laughing at various points in the film.

After all these years Kerim Bey stands tall as the greatest ally in the series. He’s just so likeable and genuine. When Bond says “how can a friend be in debt” you feel those aren’t throwaway words. Tania is also like this. You can’t help but fall in love with her good heart and sense of innocence despite the knowledge of who she’s working for.

The gypsy camp sequence is a perfect showcase for how I think Bond should fight. He has the aura similar to an observer, entering a battlefield where he’s outnumbered but still managing to have a big impact. Bond isn’t Superman and FRWL knows it. If he can avoid strenuous activity it makes sense to do so. He’s mostly relying on shooting long range targets, and those who come too close for comfort.

He’s a killer and that’s how Bond should be. But he’s always looking to use the environment to his advantage, which he does numerous times: collapsing the tent over the fighting men and sending the flaming carriage towards others. The times he does use his fists it’s for quick takedowns. The OHMSS beach fight touched upon this style of fighting, but FRWL did it first.

I admire the espionage tone we receive, from Kerim’s periscope, filming Bond and Tania’s lovemaking, the consulate blueprints, and various other things. Much like the effective use of shadow in the PTS, the shooting of Krilencu has a great atmosphere and the “she should have kept her mouth shut” quip is just perfect. Very matter of fact but hilarious, segueing nicely into one of the most famous Bond scenes of all time: Bond meeting Tania, the template for all those Bond auditions.

The train sequence is an all timer, and if there could only one in the series I’d choose this. It’s where the Bond and Tania dynamic flourishes, all alone together inside the cabin. The fashion show and general lounging around is “charming” as Kerim himself put it. Grant entering the scene changes the tone yet again, with their meeting outside ripped straight off the pages of Fleming. Once again a very moody atmosphere.

The standoff with Bond on his knees is no doubt Connery’s single best piece of acting in the role for my money, or in this case 50 gold sovereigns. He’s both impressed and disgusted, but very much done for. It’s talking that keeps him alive. He uses a gadget but he still has to work for his survival with one of the most ferocious scraps put to film. I have no idea how many times Grant said “old man”, but Bond’s singular use of it has me punching the air with satisfaction.

After the nighttime sequences on board the train it’s a visual oasis to see the wide open green fields with Bond being chased by the helicopter. Those close call passes, particularly the one that nearly decapitated Connery, are special to me. Now that is a commitment to real stunts, way back in 1963. I like how we have attaché case popping up again to show it’s far from a single use item. I know people call this and the boat chases tacked on, and perhaps they are. But I wouldn’t change them for the world. By this point I think the film has earned this type of expansive action, and it emphasises the lengths SPECTRE are going to.

In a world of bigger is always better, it’s a breath of fresh air for the film to end with a low key confrontation inside a hotel room. The Bond/Tania relationship that was built up beforehand is tested, and again, Bond was moments from death. That’s what FRWL does best right until the end: solid character work, vulnerability and a sense of desperation.

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There’s an old quote (maybe from the late 80s) where MGW talked about the script process and said something along the lines of “We always start wanting to emulate FRWL but invariably the script ends up somewhere else.”

I suspect that FRWL will always be one of its kind, not in its deference to the source material (a number of films since have been truer adaptations of their novels - I’d offer TB and OHMSS) but in that it’s the most “realistic” (in a Cold War sense) of the films and the “smallest.” The set-piece is a punch-up in a train compartment!

And yet it’s the film that cements SC interpretation (it’s more seamless than DN’s Bond cocking his hat like a navvie), and his Bond is as most honestly threatened in a way that the superhero Bond of GF-onwards never is. While IMHO Tatiana is a total dud spud, Kerim Bey is brilliant, and the five minutes before the fight as good an interaction between Bond and villain in the entire series, with SC displaying just the right amount of honesty and faux-vulnerability opposite’s Shaw’s assortment of grunts and one-word answers.

Should all the Bonds have been like that? History makes it clear, obviously not. But if it didn’t exist, the series would not have survived either.

Brilliant stuff.

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Great review. I agree with everything you said except From Russia With Love is NOT Boothroyd’s first official scene–it’s his second. His first was in Dr. No with Peter Burton in the role. M even calls him Maj. Boothroyd when he leaves the room. But I like your explanation for why Q/Boothroyd is irritated with Bond from Goldfinger onwards. It makes a lot of sense. The only real gadget in DN was the portable Geiger counter, and it was undamaged, so Desmond Llewelyn’s Q/Boothroyd was still “on good terms” with James Bond. However, that obviously changed after FRWL, so the attache case must have gotten pretty beaten up (and bloody?) during the Red Grant fight.

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I should’ve specified it as Llewelyn’s first scene, but FRWL still feels like the real launch for the character as we know him with Burton like a technicality. The pay attention phrase is there and Desmond is a man of ingenuity, rather than just a gun supplier.

I’d have to check but I’m pretty sure DK’s Secret World of 007 book states this.

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Best Bond Girl duo, hands down. And the #2 duo is another Brosnan film.

Rewatches are always great, I’m about to start a rewatch of a lot of Bond movies myself. 17 out of the 25 official ones or so is the plan, just skipping a few I’ve seen in the last couple years etc.

I’ll say when I rewatched License to Kill a couple years ago, it knocked my socks off. And Living Daylights which I had only caught the first half of for whatever reason back in the day, also loved that on this watch. And now the Daltons are among my favorite Bond movies. In general I love the 80s Bond movies a lot, some of my fav theme songs too.

I guess this thread would be the place to post how my upcoming rewatches go?

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Yes, go for it. I’ll be interested to read your thoughts.

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Very cool, thanks!

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Just rewatched Diamonds Are Forever. Loved it! Really fun movie, my jaw was pretty much on the floor half the time at home awesome it is. Just wild and delightful stuff.

I hadn’t seen this since I was a kid on VHS, and I had thought it might be a middle of the road entry in the series. Thankfully lots of fans (like on here) have been giving it props as a classic, and I’ve been curious to retry it. Glad I did!

Since my fav stuff is often the more over-the-top and a bit campy stuff, and Roger Moore is my favorite, it makes sense that I now dig this one so much. But yeah, love the vibe, I love that Bond is having fun pretty much. And even when he’s in a jam, I like the humor of it. And Jill St. John is terrific, reminds me of Fujiko from that classic Lupin the Third anime franchise. Love a funny femme fatale. And I love Q’s scenes, like the slot machine gag.

And definitely the supporting players like Wint & Kidd are great. Could have used another scene or two from Lana Wood, she was very fun. And Charles Gray (who I love from Rocky Horror and Shock Treatment) is really uniquely charismatic as Blofeld.

Plus on top of the fun and outrageousness, the movie also is exciting and thrilling too. So pretty much, the movie rules, and now it’s for sure one of my favs.

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From that review, looks like we may have the same top 11 James Bond films after all! smh :crazy_face: :smiley:

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