NTTD – The Nitpickery

It’s the reasoning given for how they can only harm the intended, programmed, target.

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Exactly.

And in Indy 4, you can clearly see that the spaceship disappears into another dimension. The literal reason is they are transdimensional beings. Which is a nice twist on the usual martians and stuff.

Why is that so hard to understand?

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The real reason was that Lucas wanted aliens into the story. Spielberg didn’t and voted against it, so Lucas changed them into “interdimensional beings”, which ofcourse is basically the same. :wink:

Is Matera really a suitable spot to tell Mathilde about her dad? Are they off to see the train station where Daddy dumped Mummy when she was pregnant? Will they be paying their respects to Vesper? I dunno, seems like driving Mathilde all the way from Norway to Italy in Bond’s car and only talking about Bond when you arrive in Matera seems a bit… odd.

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Being on that road again is what made her think about it.

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She’s headed back to redeem her customer points from the hotel.

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Maybe,just maybe Bonds “grave” is there, next to vespers?

Well, that would be a kick in the junk for Madeline.

Sorry I’m late, but I thought the car in this last scene was VERY important, as I read it as a clever device from the screenwriters to imply legacy. My understanding was that Madeleine driving this car meant the ‘family’ had actually, legally inherited it from Bond. It could only mean one thing (legally): official paternity, established post-mortem, possibly as a favour from the UK governement, probably on the testimony of the MI6 crew.

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Yes, but why would we need that?

Closure?

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OK, so One-Eyed Cicely or whatever he is called:

Is in Jamaica and presumably is the person who steals Bond’s toothbrush (frankly all of the remainder of the plot appears to hang on Bond’s toothbrush, which is slightly farcical, although as Bond’s toilet brush could have served the same purpose we were blessed not to have that, I s’pose);

Takes that to In-Another-Film-Entirely Russian scientist, to notionally develop the Heracles to kill Bond in Cuba (one would have thought Spectre had been arranging their shindig for ages, so this seems all very last minute give that it’s the main point of that show); as matters stand, One-Eyed Cicely is Spectre;

In-Another-Film-Entirely Russian scientist drops the flashdrive “accidentally” and replaces it, out of sight of One-Eyed Cicely, with the version that will kill all Spectre;

When things go off, One-Eyed Cicely is not infected, because - why not? If One-Eyed Cicely was Safin’s young chap at this point, Toothy Blondsome Apple-Pie Traitorman is a redundant character, because One-Eyed Cicely could have sorted the Russian out, escaped with him etc.;

Might have got lucky not to be infected, I s’pose - but he is Spectre at this point otherwise why does Silly Russian hide his switcheroo from him? No obvious reason why the Stoopid Russian would spare One-Eyed Cicely, given that as far as he is concerned, One-Eyed Cicely is Spectre and kidnapped him for Spectre in the first place;

The nanobots are permanent, it is claimed;

Bond has anti-Spectre nanobots all over/in him, be they from the part-Eh or from touching Madeliene (that he touches Madeleine proves she isn’t in Spectre, incidentally);

So when Bond and One-Eyed Cicely have their fight in the stairwell, why doesn’t One-Eyed Cicely just, well, die? Don’t need a special watch, other than for the product placement, and the OK-clever-but-going-on-a-bit-now stairwell fight could have been cut; might also have really brought home that the nanobots are permanent (as there is no other evidence of this beyond Q saying so, and that is a man who keeps bald cats).

My brain hurts.

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Cyclops already works for Safin, but Gorbachev doesn’t know that. Cyclops was probably how Safin got DNA samples of the rest of Spectre whilst Cyclops was acting as Blofeld’s proxy.

Also it was “the blond” who stole the toothbrush when he was with Felix at Bond’s home, as seen by the cigar that, as the film repeatedly reminds the audience, belong to Felix.

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OK, can buy that, especially the point on who steals Bond’s toothbrush. He really is a super-fan of Bond’s, is he not? Nicks his toothbrush. Bit stalker-y, tbh.

However, still don’t see why Silly Russian includes One-Eyed Cicely out of the Spectre-killing. Unless, off-screen, just told not to - which would be a bit weird.

It is, but as crimes go it’s one of his lesser ones…though all on the escalating stalker scale now I think about it…murders the closest friend of the obsession, tries to kill the family of the obsession, then tries to kill the obsession.

The blond is a scary dude…

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Don’t think cyclops was stupid enough to put his own dna in the samples

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Good point! Although he is stupid enough to have that haircut.

But all is doubtless as you say, so I shall now retreat and have to do the gardening rather than find an excuse like this not to.

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I think we’ve had the question of Cyclops/Primo covered in another thread a while back. At the party Spectre’s head honchos are eliminated while the rank-and-file goons stay operational. Perhaps Primo was simply too far down the food chain to be in the database? And came only aboard Safin’s ship when his former employers went out of business?

What I wonder is why Ash, although he had to be Safin’s creature from the start, didn’t shoot Bond and Felix right at the spot? He must have known that, if Bond turned up at all, he would have a story to tell and uncomfortable questions to ask. Why did he wait till it was almost too late?

Then there’s Blofeld who, seeing his enemy again after just having failed to kill him, still cannot resist the temptation to boast how he tricked Bond into dropping Madeleine. It’s a splendid victory for old Ernst, all the more so as Bond really behaved like an amateur when it was obvious what a cheap flimsy game Blofeld was playing. Bond totally the dumb ass.

Why didn’t old Ernst boast about it on his birthday party? Wouldn’t that have been the last chance to rub it in before Bond will be history?

And on the topic of Blofeld, why did Safin even bother to talk with Madeleine? All he had to do would have been to touch a couple of people in the vicinity of the Belmarsh infrastructure. Sooner or later the bots would have found their way to Blofeld anyway, even in his cage.

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He was fixated with her and had gotten it into his head that she would love him if he pestered and threatened her enough. (Safin an incel with an island?)

As for blondie not killing Bond and Felix immediately, he seemed to be a very loyal soldier to Safin, who wanted Bond spared at the party, he just didn’t take into account Gorbachev being such a bad liar as to accidentally give him up.

With that, I’m going to say he was saving that for Madeline

“He died believing you betrayed him”

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Well, it’s not as if he couldn’t have used that line anyway. The head of Spectre, even a wiped out Spectre, surely isn’t above using a spoon or two of alternative facts to conway a little fun into his daily routine?

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