Reboot? Remake? Retro? Which direction should the series take next?

Oh, yes. Especially since entertainment today is so often about consumerism, giving exactly what the audience wants because it always wants what they wanted and liked last time.

Surprising and innovating and giving us what we did not want but still like is what great entertainment can offer but only too rarely is still allowed to.

I am at a point where I want a new approach, a newer at least, since I have my old favorites at my disposal and don’t think that they could still be made as well today, which is why the idea of doing a period piece never interested me.

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The Dynamite comics crew did an excellent job in my view, especially the initial run that commenced with VARGR. When the time comes, I’d also like to hear how the Project 007 team went about creating their version of Bond - which really is the next big project to anticipate. I have liked Craig, because I embrace what each particular era is about, but I believe they need to focus less on awards they will never receive and not overthink too much.

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Reinvention? I have no idea what that is, but it’s the one thing that’s not happening.

Other than the possibility that it might not be a caucasian in the lead role (watch The Daily Mail’s collective head explode then…), when the series returns, it’s very much going to be business as usual. There’ll be an M, a Q who’ll be “funny,” gadgets, female leads not familiar with your standard multiplex audience, scenes with a bow tie, and witty asides. Maybe, maybe, a touch more of the “Marvel-lesque this is all a little bit of in joke aren’t we clever humour” but ultimately the ingredients will all be very easily identifiable. Bring in Nolan who-ever for their take, let me tell you, their take is just their version of ours.

I don’t want to come across as someone who is no longer a fan (hey, in forums we’re allowed to play against type, no?) but I’ve been going to these things in the cinema since Sir Rog’s debut, and not once, not once, have I ever not felt that each entry was part of a singular collective.

I loved CR - especially after DAD - and I felt it was an entry I’d waited a lifetime for. But that didn’t in anyway make it “different” from any of the others, or perhaps more importantly, change my opinion of any of the others. I still think that FRWL is brilliant and DAD a disaster. Sure, I’ll concede that QoS was a red-line for many, but for me, it was still clearly James Bond.

My point is…the series is what it is, and unless the next entry is a 1960s Jacques Tati comedy, reinvention isn’t possible. Babs may sound like she’s talking a big game, but in three years time, what is presented will very much be like all the others. If anything, her use of the word is code for “Don’t worry, Bond’s not dead. We’re not even going to try to explain NTTD, we’re just starting up again.” Does SC to Laz back to SC to Sir Rog really make any logical sense? Of course not, but a 1970s audience didn’t get the “courtesy” of the producers “explaining” their next move to them.

Someone earlier posted that NTTD might have been a good place for EON to have exited stage left (at least that’s how I interpreted it). I’d offer that SF felt like an end to me. Heck, if the series had shut shop for good, well, from a narrative perspective it would have made sense.

We’re sixty years in - “reinvention” or even “new” just aren’t possible. So if you’re worried that this whole Bond-film thing might be about to take a massive left turn on you - don’t worry. It’s not. Whatever scenario any of us want to try to dream up, it just won’t happen. If anything what we’ll get is something that, after the “latest release!” paint has dried, will blend in with all the others. Some bits you remember, some bits you forget, and some bits you’re convinced are actually in another entry. “No, no, the one in the oil tanker is the one with ejector seat! I’m telling you!”

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We should clarify what BB meant by reinvention:

  • start another actor‘s era, tailor it to the current times and the actor

That is all.

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Paraphrasing Cubby: “When in doubt go back to Fleming.”
Back to Basics. Agent is already an experienced 007(Like Sir Sean in Dr No)
No origin story required

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I went for a walk this evening and saw a numberplate which started with CR. Something so simple, but it brought me back to 2006 and the nostalgia of anticipating Casino Royale. I can’t wait for that level of excitement again. Especially if they cast someone really good as Bond.

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Could it be that EON does not want to produce a Bond film in the next two years because they rather not compete with the next two M:I movies in 2023 and 2024?

Hey, if James Cameron won‘t direct AVATAR 4 and 5 he will be available!

Yep, my jokes are really top notch today.

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He needs to take a look in a mirror, for how he treats people.

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Considering he’s been married 5 times (so far) he should probably put that stone gently down on the ground and walk quietly away. At least Bond is fictional.

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I kind of told you all so.

If anything, the franchise should wait until whatever idelogical nonesense has gripped hollywood passes and some sanity and reasonability have reutrned and we can get less divisive films.

Put it to bed for awhile.

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Ideological nonsense got a severe blow today, and this is very good for Bond.

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While I guess I will have to accept that the next film will be a reboot, I’d like to avoid the origin story. After No Time to Die put the Craig era to rest, I wouldn’t mind seeing a period piece set in the 1950s/60s. Hell, I wouldn’t even mind getting a WWII set Bond story with the OSS (I’d really like to see a novel take that on).

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I quite like the idea of Kim Sherwood’s book. A seasoned Bond was missing, presumed dead, but has since returned to active service. This could be communicated with a line of dialogue, ala Lazenby’s other fella quip. I’d absolutely go the reboot route (recasting everybody), but something loose like this could be a retcon if fans really wanted it to be. I’m sure the Sherwood books are their own thing, but have to admit it’d be pretty cool if it was revealed they were lead-in prologues set in the world of Bond 7. With cameos of the three agents we’ve read about in the film proper.

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Keep:
familiar character actors in background roles, without them being too famous.
Globe trotting, but give us great visuals in the background.
Great cinematography. Bond has been more hit than miss with this category, in the last 30 years.
One MI6 regular, particularly Ralph Fiennes as M. EON uses actors for different roles multiple times, Ralph can play Sir Miles, with a new actor as Bond. Judi Dench worked this way fine.
Get rid of:
Purvis and Wade writing in ANY way, shape or form. BB talked about reinventing Bond, the best way to start is the writing. Seriously, this is the number one thing that must change: the writing.
Betrayal. It’s becoming more stale. If EON keeps doing it, they’ll pass John Gardener for most stories with double crossing in them.
Bond resigning, or leaving MI6. Again, becoming stale. Take a film or two off from it.
M’s past coming back to haunt them. It makes the character less sympathetic, which is why I wasn’t sad that M died in Skyfall.
No more family drama from any of the characters. Everyone since LTK had this problem.
On the fence about:
More art house directors. Most haven’t worked, but some elements of them did. EON should always look for someone who is a general fan or can respect the character and his legacy.
Blofeld and Spectre being reoccurring villains. Now that EON fully has the rights back, we can expect to see them more often. I would almost expect Goldfinger or Trevelyan to be included in this category, considering how many classic movie villains are being redone now.
Michael G Wilson continuing to produce full time. He’s getting too old, and let’s be honest, he isn’t the best ideas man. It may be time for Gregg Wilson to start moving up for the top producer spots.
Interconnected stories. An ok idea, EON needs to better plan it out. Keep more directors with passion to connect them together.
Look more into:
Adapting continuation novels and writing ahead. With Amazon more or less involved now, EON should look at Anthony Horowitz or a writer with previous Bond experience to give them some ideas about how to move forward. I would rather see a continuation novel get a chance to be adapted than a P & W original screenplay.
My personal opinions.

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Agreed. Stale in Bond, as well as most other movies. Let’s get back to stories like MOONRAKER where Bond takes on a villain, overcomes obstacles, and succeeds. We need an angst-free Bond!

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Getting back on topic here. I have one more on the fence idea:
Letting the man playing James Bond have how much power. Daniel Craig seemed to get WAY too much of final say on things, it seems. Sean Connery didn’t get much power and that why Cubby and Harry lost him. Another flaw of Cubby’s part. George Lazenby pretty much screwed himself, with the acceptance of doing his own stunts. Roger Moore did Bond mostly for fun. Timothy Dalton got his main request in thankfully: more human approach to the movies. Pierce Brosnan kind of got what Connery got and EON was arguably worse to PB. He had a few ideas that they used, like Paris being a past lover. But they should have been more fair to PB, as he doesn’t seem to look at his Bond time that positively. My point: EON, should give a fair amount of creative control to the person playing Bond. Keep it within fairness, though. Don’t bow down to the actor the way EON did for Craig. Long waits for average movies can drive the biggest supporters away.

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…the only person who talked since your rant was replying to you

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Although from Day 1 Book 1 this resignation vibe is a facet of the written character, and is a therme as prevalent in the source material as his scar, his brekkie and his aversion to Koreans and The Hun. The repeated refrain of “Going back to Fleming” would include this (at least) talent for insurbordination and frustration with his job (if not those other things). Go back to Fleming, get that. Go back to Moonraker, not a bad move at all, and you get something else.

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My mistake, I was using my rant for another Bond forum where they got off topic. My apologies.