The Living Daylights discussion

One last thought: I know all the talk about Sir Roger being too old for Tanya Roberts, but Maryam d”Abo struck me as too young for Timothy Dalton (sixteen year age difference–42 to 26). She is a conservatory student–pardon moi, conservatoire student–and seems younger than her 26 years.

Of course, like many Bond girls, she possesses secret skills. In this case she is a fine horsewoman, can serve doctored cocktails, and drive a jeep onto a moving plane. By contrast, all Tiffany Case can do is cower photogenically, and put the wrong tape back in the computer tnat controls the space laser.

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…and she is a woman of many hair colours, atlhough red seems to suite her best if you ask Connery Bond.

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D’Abo’s character has the handicap she’s written extremely naïve: when your KGB sugar daddy asks you to pose with a sniper rifle at a bathroom window during the pause of one of your own concerts you should start having doubts. When you very nearly get killed in the process and sugar daddy isn’t to be found anywhere, while you’re still behind the iron curtain, interrogated by KGB hoods and left to entertain the socialist cadres for the foreseeable future, then you best shouldn’t hop into the first guy’s Aston who claims your sugar daddy sent him to fetch you…

Fact is, Kara would seem painfully dim even if she was 20 years Bond’s senior. I remember even back in the day I thought she was in for a nasty surprise the morning after that last TLD frame.

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Agreed. As I watched the film, I kept thinking: “She a late teen/early 20-something.”

TLD is a Moore Bond script tweaked for Dalton Bond.

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Wouldn’t it have been great seeing Roger Moore’s Bond sitting on a flying carpet like nothing is more common and normal like that?

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Or a cello case sled.

Though Dalton’s talent allowed him to bring it off and emerge unscathed.

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But she knows who James Bond is when she pulls his Playboy Club membership card from his wallet, and that can’t be said about much other Bond girls… erm… women.

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Dalton’s performance really conveys he is a professional. He says he only kills professionals too. He’s a serious man doing a serious job, but genuinely cares about people once a connection has been made.

Dalton just had to sit there and it conveyed a thinking man either plotting his next move or brooding about the past. That’s something a script can’t provide. I think the fairground sequence shows the range of Dalton really well. Enjoying the rides, romancing Kara, talking business with Saunders, exploding at his death and then turning ice cold.

One of the best performances in the series and would be the general mood of this Bond when not put under higher stress, ala LTK. Having the Moore elements in TLD were a positive rather than a negative in my opinion. Dalton provided more than enough of his own personality into the mix to make things unique.

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I remember a review (perhaps Roger Ebert) saying that no matter the situation, Dalton’s Bond always looks like he’s solving a difficult math problem in his head. While I don’t think that was intended as a compliment, I think there’s truth to Dalton’s Bond always looking like there is more going on beneath the surface than simply being in the moment. He always seems to be taking everything in, analyzing, and plotting his response. It’s one of my favorite things about his portrayal.

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Agreed Dalton is phenomenal in TLD and like sharpshooter I appreciate the range on display; he’s alternately charming, tender, playful, brooding, brutal and cold. I also agree the carnival scene is a standout, but I also feel like its effectiveness sent the wrong message to the powers-that-be, encouraging them to double down on the “rage” routine in the follow-up film. Yes, Dalton is good at “vengeful” but there’s more to him than that, and for me LTK spends way too much time on “angry Bond.” Too often Dalton is criticised for a lack of charisma compared to his predecessors, and a dour seriousness that sucked the “fun” out of his films. But in TLD he demonstrates he can do light comedy, and he can be charming and charismatic. LTK’s script calls for a Bond who’s beyond caring about charming anyone or putting a flippant, jokey spin on anything, looking good in a suit or, apparently, whether his hair looks ridiculous. He’s focused only on dealing death and we get the impression he fully expects not to come back alive himself. When we finally do get a relaxed, “happy” Bond at the end (with the awkward phone call to Felix and the dip in the pool) it feels out of place and inappropriate. I wish he’d gotten that third film to prove there was more to him than the Charles Bronson schtick.

I like Kara but I agree her naivete makes her appear younger than she is. Or maybe we just hope she’s younger as an excuse for being so clueless. Like Dalton, though, D’Abo brings more to the script than exists on the page, because she makes Kara seem endearing. By the end of the film, I want her to end up with Bond, even if five minutes after the credits roll I realized she’s totally wrong for him. But I like the suggestion that even though Bond knows how to harden his heart to get his job done, he’s still capable of cherishing innocence and naivete in others, and that maybe in addition to patriotism, part of his motivation is to do the dirty work necessary for innocents to live out their happy lives, even if it is in a state of blissful ignorance. I particularly like the scene where Bond says there is no way they’re going back for the cello, but then we cut to him waiting in the car for her to bring the cello. That went a long way to humanize Bond for me as a tough professional with a softer side, and it was a great way to work in humor without taking the Roger route. I think they were onto something there and I’d like to have seen more of it over time.

As far as Tiffany knowing who Bond is, this was part of a weird slice of time where Bond seemed to be a minor celebrity in-universe. I don’t know why a smuggler should have heard of James Bond. Later Scaramanga is so impressed by him that he’s got a waxwork of 007, but I guess an assassin would have heard about another assassin at some point, even if he’s not strictly speaking a competitor. Stromberg knows immediately who Bond is even when he uses an alias. Drax says “Your reputation precedes you, of course.” Someone in charge obviously feels Bond is a well-known figure in-universe, at least in the 70s. Maybe this explains why Roger always seems to say he’s “Bond, James Bond” with a cocky smirk, as in “…perhaps you’ve heard of me?” Roger’s Bond sometimes seems as recognized on the street as his Simon Templar. Interestingly, Roger also said (often) that Bond is ridiculous because “he’s a spy but every bartender in the world knows his drink.” I still don’t know where he got that idea, as the only character who’d made him his vodka martini without instructions was Dikko Henderson in YOLT, a fellow agent (and he got it wrong!).

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I think she’s a version of Domino from tb but without the nous. She appears young because of her lack of experience and is exploited by Bond without complicity.

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This. I actually had much the same reaction watching THE LIVING DAYLIGHTS that first time. Kara, in spite of her starting out as Koskov’s girlfriend, is one of those rare civilians getting caught up in Bond’s world who live to tell the story afterwards (figuratively speaking). That old device of The Man from S.O.L.O and most of Hitchcock’s films, some random person ending up in a high-stakes intrigue running for their lives, felt like a welcome twist here even though we’ve just had it in AVTAK. D’Abo makes us believe in her character and is far more useful than a damsel in distress.

Plus, the cello really had to come.

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Kara is in way over her head in Bond’s world, but that makes a kind of sense here because of course Koskov would’ve sought out an easy mark. To her credit, she learns as things progress, and even has a bit of a character arc over the course of the film. A lot of fun is had with her always being a step or two behind, but she tries, bless her, and grows over time. Stacey Sutton on the other hand seems confident and strong willed at first blush but is soon revealed as a hopeless nincompoop and never progresses beyond that state. Which is to say, Kara manages to remain endearing because she makes her best effort. Stacey is just a drag on Bond’s gun arm and ultimately not worth the effort, no matter how attractive she may be.

I find I tend to prefer the “innocent bystander who grows and learns” – like Kara, Domino and Natalya – over the “Bond’s equal” types like Jinx or Wai-Lin. After you get past the initial “Wow, a girl who’s as good as Bond” moment – which should be less of a shock to Bond the more of them he meets – you’ve only got two ways to go and neither is much fun: either she steals screen time and attention away from Bond and makes him superfluous, or she ends up needing rescuing after all, which undoes all that equal rights posturing at the start. It’s much more interesting to watch a character develop competence than to have them waltz in from the start already a superhero. Especially if they’re just going to fold in the end anyway.

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And for me that creates dissonance. Along with you, I admire this aspect of Dalton’s performance, but he seems to be inhabiting another narrative than his castmates. I had the same issue with Daniel Day-Lewis in his recent film ANENOME. He was in another movie, and it was jarring at times.

DAF ramped up the meta- trend inaugurated by Lazenby commenting that “This never happened to the other fella,“ and then being replaced by the other fella. Also contributing were re-casting Felix and Blofeld with regularity. Dalton doesn’t bring that level of knowingness to his performance. Somebody should have alerted the screenwriters.

Stacy is there to: provide exposition; give Bond an opportunity to make a quiche; have a way to get into City Hall at night; and breathlessly exclaim “Oh, James” at a climatic moment. I can better deal with those tropes, than accept a conservatoire student suddenly being an accomplished horsewoman and adept jeep driver, skills that do not strike me as a character “developing competence,” but rather doing what screenwriters needed to be done in a given situation.

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I can see that. Sometimes it’s like Dalton’s thinking, “How do I elevate this to something more substantial than what was on the page? Where is the soul of this character? What tragedies have shaped him? How does he make sense of his world?”

Meanwhile everyone else is thinking, “Wheee! I’m in a Bond movie!”

This is likely what some critics responded negatively to: not so much the fact that Dalton was “no fun” but more that he seemed to not “get the joke.” He was trying to infuse Shakespearean gravitas to a comic strip character, in their eyes. That either gets a “nice try, but foolish,” or a “get over yourself, Olivier, you’re ruining our action/comedy picture.”

That puts an even wilder stamp on Roger’s smirk: he could be thinking, “Ha ha! I’m the ‘James Bond’ in this scenario and you know what that means…I am unbeatable!” Meanwhile poor Lazenby is thinking “the last guy they gave this job to had an easier go of it.” And Tiffany, knowing somebody has to be Bond in this story but unsure of who’s got the gig, actually believes maybe Sean has killed the Bond du jour on her staircase. Maybe this is where that whole stupid “Codename” myth got its start.

At the risk of appealing to a sexist stereotype, it’s not that uncommon for a girl to be good with horses. And I don’t know that a Jeep is that much harder to drive than any other vehicle. Meanwhile Kara (1) seems to accept that lasers and missiles are legitimate “optional extras” on a car, (2) thinks all her problems are solved when she’s still stuck in a Russian air base in Afghanistan, (3) takes forever to figure out Bond’s hand signals when he’s telling her to drive the Jeep up into the plane, (4) fails to notice Necros jumping in behind her and (5) fails to notice a MOUNTAIN outside the plane’s window. She gets better as time goes on, but she is never great at anything. She is at least game to try, unlike Stacey who can only scream for help, until the end when Bond asks on the bridge, “You still there?” and she answers, “You betcha” like she thinks she’s been a brave, plucky equal through the whole picture. Guess what, Stacey, he’s only asking because until now the main clue that you’re alive at all has been the incessant screaming, and for just a moment there, his ears weren’t ringing.

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Pretty wild. If I wanted to ignore the fourth wall breaking I’d just pretend Lazenby is referring to Prince Charming, while holding Tracy’s abandoned ‘glass slippers’.

It would have been counterproductive in this instance. The myth aspect being reduced makes Dalton feel more human. His strength is not being a celebrity or macho man making himself known.

He’s an operative with competence through his level of focus, rather than just by being James Bond. How he quickly utters “Bond, James Bond” on the yacht says so much about him. It’s just his name and he’s not putting on a show.

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I think Dalton - definitely a great actor - got the same bonus as Craig: „finally trained thespians who are so much better than this drivel and therefore raise the whole enterprise by desperately trying to infuse the films with intelligence and class“.

This always happens when critics try to show their taste is so much better but secretly they now may enjoy it while still defending the actor who is „let down“ by the script.

Yes, there are great actors, and increasingly so they have to take on parts in films they used to turn down (looking at you, all super hero and franchise movies).

But these actors do shape the scripts enormously. They will demand rewrites until they are satisfied. If the films still do not work it can have a myriad of reasons. But one of those will be the actor‘s influence.

Dalton as every actor can only be himself, and this is what makes TLD interesting. He is asked to stretch his talent in order to make his Bond work, even if or better because this leads Dalton out of his comfort zone.

If we think there is so much more going on within him this often is just projection. Sometimes we actually just see thoughts of „how long until lunch break“ or „Were these clams really fresh?“

But hey, I never had a problem with Kara‘s innocence or naivete - nobody has to be up to the task when drawn into Bond‘s world, and in the heat of the moment I bet we all would tend to behave like her.

As for Stacey - she is bland because some people are, and I would lose my heels in a burning elevator shaft, too, screaming for someone to help me.

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It’s what makes her one of the better Bond girls. The Bond films are always better when Bond and the rest of the Scooby gang actually bump up against the real world, which is something that has started to become increasingly rare in the franchise.

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Undoubtedly. But we don’t pay to see bland people in a Bond film when we can see them every day for free.

and I would lose my heels in a burning elevator shaft, too, screaming for someone to help me.

And if it were you doing it, I’m sure I’d find it more interesting. But if anything that final shower scene would be even more awkward than it already is.

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Beautifully put.

He just parses his lines at that level. There was similar phenomenon with Denzel Washington in HIGHEST 2 LOWEST. The line readings were amazing, and other actors tried to keep up.

Beautiful.

Agreed. For me, Kara’s actions/abilities are as much a function of plot necessities as those of Stacy. Stacy just more obviously functions as a “Bond Girl Plot Device,” which works perfectly for the movie she is in.

I remember the reviews of the time commenting on/praising how Dalton just threw the iconic line away.

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