Was OHMSS actually forgotten?

OHMSS is largely considered to be one of the best and most essential films of the James Bond series. It is also my personal favorite and it has been since the first time I saw it. However there seems to be a time where this film wasn’t as highly regarded as it eventually became. And before people were able to watch films at home on VHS there seems to be a period where OHMSS became sort of the forgotten Bond, with Lazenby’s short tenure squeezed between Connery’s and Moore’s long tenures. It wasn’t well remembered by fans and even ignored for a time by the filmmakers.

But I’m often wondering, how true is this exactly?

Let’s first look at the audience. It is much harder to get a clear picture here, as this was a time before the internet where you can read people’s thoughts and opinions on movies everywhere. Yes box office wise, it clearly wasn’t as succesful. Not that it was really unsuccesful of course. I have done some research recently into the numbers and even the lowest grossing Bond films were still all-time box office hits. But then again, this was to be expected. Lazenby was the first actor to replace another as Bond, only 2 years after YOLT. And let’s not forget that it was already known that Lazenby would not continue when OHMSS was released. And of course the critics were very mixed on it, but that’s pretty much a guarantee with Bond films, and beside my point. I’m curious about what people who actually did go see it in the theatres thought, especially fans of Fleming’s books seeing as the film is very faithful to the novel.

Then the filmmakers. A common narrative seems to be that the events of OHMSS were ignored in the early 70’s Bond films, before it being mentioned and inspiring some elements in TSWLM and subsequent other films. But was that really the case?

Take this teaser trailer for DAF for example. It uses the OHMSS version of the James Bond theme which played at the end of that film and it is specifically about Bond’s hunt for Blofeld. Looking at this, it looks as if they’re marketing the film as a revenge themed adventure.

Of course the final film has little to do with OHMSS, and could be seen as a sequel to YOLT depening on how you interpret it (which I think is what they were going for with DAF, it being up to the audience’s imagination). But this trailer always fascinates me in that regard.

Then there are the LALD trailers and every trailer uses the OHMSS rendition of the Bond theme, such as this one:

Now here it doesn’t really seem to mean much. It could be seen as a nod to OHMSS, or it could just be seen as them reusing one of the better renditions of the Bond theme.

But perhaps the most fascinating is this TMWTGG poster. Which shows villains from previous Bond films, including of course Blofeld. But interestingly enough, from all the versions of Blofeld they could’ve chosen they went with Savalas’ version from OHMSS. They could’ve gone neutral with the faceless man with a cat, or Pleasence’s arguably most recognized version, or Gray’s being the most recent version. But they went with the OHMSS Blofeld.

Of course after this OHMSS would clearly ‘‘return’’ as this important part of Bond’s past in subsequent Bond films: TSWLM, FYEO, LTK, TWINE and it was even orginally planned to be mentoined by Alec Trevelyan in GE. It would also inspire a lot of future Bond films in different ways, such as Bond becoming a bit more ‘‘human’’ during the 80’s, snow action, or focusing more on the emotional side of the character during the Brosnan and especially the Craig era.

But I do wonder if OHMSS being the forgotten not highly regarded Bond film for years is actually fully true, or just simply a perspective of a time where the media and critics decided the general narrative rather than the fans. It’s interesting that they would market some films that followed it with these nods and that they would use it as Bond’s ‘‘backstory’’ after that.

But perhaps, it’s better to ask this to people who actually were around during those times before the films would be released for home entertainment. :wink:

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In my memory, OHMSS was seen as the one-off Bond, with the Australian model who did not return. It was considered the Bond film that best embodied the 1960s, and had the most adult Bond Girl. About 20 years ago, Film at Lincoln Center included it in a retrospective of classic 1960s movies. Regarded as a superior Bond movie, but hindered by a weak leading man.

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Two reasons that are perhaps overlapping - but where the prominent one eclipses the actually more important one?

Everybody had been aware Connery - ‘Connery IS Bond’ - isn’t Bond in this film. That gave the film a hard time with critics and audiences and was for a long time the reason it got the monicker as ‘one-off footnote’.

But - and in my view this is actually more important - it’s also the one Bond film where Bond falls in love and ends up utterly defeated: the hero turns to tragic figure, to victim. And even though this is true to the source material, perhaps Fleming’s best book, it was entirely unexpected for many audiences and critics alike.

People simply didn’t know how to react to a moment that was a singularity in the canon. Critics didn’t understand it, even suggested Bond should have had a Nick & Nora future with Tracy instead of the downbeat end.

So there you had a film that became - strangely enough, perhaps this is a rather fitting metaphor - the black hole of the series: it’s there, but you usually don’t see it and it’s defined more by immediate surroundings.

But also, like the black hole, it generates an enormous gravitational pull. It’s perhaps the one book that pulls the novels as a whole from nifty thriller fodder into the realm of the classics of genre literature, eye to eye with Holmes, Poirot, Maigret, Marlowe.

And while it’s not been frequently referenced by its producers - perhaps because they too had their troubles to decide how to engage with this gem? - they never entirely forgot about it (see Moore’s two nods to OHMSS).

On the other hand, in 1971 they still had five books to adapt, six if they managed to get their hands on the rights to Casino Royale and remake that. Plus the short stories. And only one of these was entirely not the stuff they had done before, The Spy Who Loved Me. But apart from that, they were really looking at a series of adventure thrillers, some weaker than others. And initially Eon probably didn’t much care if OHMSS would be forgotten. Only with time that gravitational pull started to do its magic and, every so often, the past was mentioned as a reference point.

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After 1969 it was in everyone’s interest to forget about OHMSS. The film itself did fine at the box office and with the critics, but both were less accepting of Lazenby, especially after Connery’s return and Moore’s ascent. Lazenby was the one-off Bond, and this gave rise to the perception that his film must have been some kind of failure too—a perception easy to share in the days before everyone had VHS players. The public was happy to forget about Lazenby following the excitement over the return of Connery, the once and future Bond, and the debut of his popular successor in 1973. And the producers had no reason to rekindle public interest in OHMSS, especially when they were trying to break in Moore. It wasn’t until Moore was established in the role that the producers felt comfortable enough to reference the Lazenby film.

Some anecdotal evidence. In 1989 I was on a family vacation in Europe, and we checked into a Swiss hotel. Being a bored eight year old, I turned on the TV and found it was playing OHMSS, which I’d never seen. My Dad, a Bond fan who had seen Dr. No when it was originally released, snorted. Oh, he said, that’s the one with Lazenby as Bond, the only one he did. Bond gets married in it. Look at him–he’s terrible!

I think it was the double punch of an unusual Bond film starring a one-off Bond that repelled my father—had Connery been in it my dad probably would have liked OHMSS, just as he enjoyed NTTD because he’d accepted Craig. In any case, 1989 is also around the time that OHMSS started enjoying a rise in reputation; the year before it had appeared in Danny Peary’s Cult Movies 3, in the company of films like Blade Runner and Diva.

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Sums it up pretty well. There were times when OHMSS was the hunchback distant cousin at the family reunion :woozy_face:

It was in the mid to late 80s when there was the rare occasion that the parents went on a vacation for a week. It’s somewhat strange that my brother and I both turned into movie geeks (more or less) even though we grew up in a household (early 70s to early 90s) that never owned a VCR player. Dad didn’t want one, period. But on that week, we decided that we borrow one and get a stack of movies from the video store. A weird mix, among them Giant, The Right Stuff, Three Days of the Condor, Brazil, Don’t Look Now, “How the West Was Won”, some Hitchcock, some Chaplin, and we didn’t pick just any adult content, it had to be a Russ Meyer movie :smirk:
And we also had OHMSS. That was the one Bond movie that they never had on those summer festivals and that hadn’t been on German TV until then. We’ve only heard the usual stories, that’s the one in which he gets married yadda yadda, and as you said

We had a watch party with some friends one night, with OHMSS (and others), and everyone loved it. I watched it again the next afternoon, just to be sure that I didn’t just like it because of the drunk party mood the night before. Was well worth the re-watch, I’ve been a fan ever since. :laughing:

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This! And I am looking forward to the re-evaluation of NTTD for the same reason in years to come once normality has been restored in the Bond world. 2 very different films (and I am not claiming that they are equally accomplished, as OHMSS is an absolute favourite of mine) that both have the courage to be different and plough their own furrow. :clap::clap:

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OHMSS didn’t lead anywhere so it was always going to stand alone. Ilse Steppat’s death would’ve thrown a spanner in the works even if Lazenby didn’t walk.

As Revelator says, it made business sense to move on and eventually build out the Moore era. DAF is nowhere near the direct sequel we would have received, but nonetheless, there’s no love lost when M says he now wants some good, solid work out of Bond. It’s communicating we’re sharply moving on from that other episode. Lazenby turned his back on the brand and ill feeling from the powers that be would be natural.

The 1976 TV edit which featured a non Lazenby voiceover couldn’t help but do more damage to the reputation of OHMSS. It pushes the idea it’s not a proper Connery or Moore outing, and thus it’s dispensable to treat however you want. Something hidden away can become sought after and I think that happened with OHMSS, especially as time marched on.

It became even more of a fascinating oddity and what if considering the lengthy tenure that Moore had, spinning your mind out with a potential alternate timeline. Time well and truly vindicated OHMSS as the series moved back towards its direction with Casino Royale.

In some ways, Sean and Roger were lucky it was Lazenby who got OHMSS out of the way because their incarnations were able to have more straightforward runs focused on entertainment, without the potential scrutiny of such a love story. OHMSS had important material contained within its runtime but that was only relegated to passing background information.

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Interesting to hear some perspectives on this. It’s funny how times were different before movies became so accessible. I can defenitely understand the difficult position for OHMSS. I too would probably not be too happy about Connery not being in it at the time and it being the only one Lazenby did. Just as a comparison with another franchise I’m a huge fan of, I could never imagine anyone else other than William Shatner being captain Kirk in Star Trek as well as the other main cast (and honestly, I still can’t) and it makes me so happy that they continued in their roles from the 60’s until the 90’s. Of course Bond is something entirely different, but at the time it wasn’t so much. Connery WAS Bond, and Bond WAS Connery. Simple as that. Even Moore had difficulty getting out of the shadow of Connery until TSWLM, but when he eventually did Lazenby’s one-off outing probably became even more of a vaguely remembered anomaly.

For me seeing OHMSS for the first time was quite a different experience back in 2006 as a kid. I was aware of it being Lazenby’s only Bond film, but I had no knowledge of the stories surrounding this film nor did I care at all at the time. I was just intrigued to see another Bond movie and I was already used to different actors in the role having already seen Brosnan, Moore, Dalton, Connery in that order. And I absolutely loved it and thought Lazenby was an excellent Bond. And I still do, even more so now.

It will always be a shame and a missed oppertunity for the series that we did not get more of Lazenby and get the proper sequel OHMSS needed. It’s even more frustrating now when watching the Craig movies where they did what they should have done back then, but with Craig it became overdone and honestly not really needed to the extent that the Craig era did it in my opinion. But then again, I have come to accept this more as well. The circumstances surrounding DAF were difficult and even though I used to hate the film for ignorning the events of OHMSS and essentially being a comedy. I have come to appreciate DAF by it’s own merits and find it quite enjoyable nowadays.

Also, I have heard the NTTD-OHMSS comparisons a lot and how people think it wel get the same reappraisal. I don’t really agree. I find the the situations surrounding those movies completely different, just look at Craig’s popularity in the role when NTTD came out. If anything, I find CR the most comparible to OHMSS: Controversial choice for Bond, tragic love story, broken Bond, first film of an actor’s tenure, coming after a very over-the-top film, close to the novel. But in 2006 this kind of story was more accepted. NTTD I feel is much more like DAD, the producers taking things too far to the point that it puts a lot of people off (including myself). For me personally, I find NTTD a terrible, awkward and uninteresting film, and unfortunately the only Bond film that I have no interest in rewatching as much as I have tried to like it. But if people like it and if it will get reappraisal, that’s great. I’m really jealous people can enjoy it.

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With age comes wisdom.

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I’ve thought this the whole time as well, especially as NTTD is one of my favorites. In fact, I am still (over three years later!) surprised at the negative reaction to NTTD by so many in the fanbase. But oh well. I genuinely think time will be good to this one.

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#1 OHMSS
#2 NTTD

Just saying.

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Being of indeterminate middle-age (probably beyond that now…) I remember seeing OHMSS for the first time in the cinema in the mid-70s. It and DAF were a double-bill that were in the cinemas in the UK - you paid your money and sat and watched them as many times as you liked. DAF and SC we all knew. SIr Rog was by now Bond and SC was his predecessor. But this other bloke?

Still remember being thrown by the “different” face, “the other fella” comment (adolescence and the fourth wall in a Bond film are not natural bedfellows) and of course the end. And then later trying to explain it to all your fellow 10 year old mates that the Bond film they need to see is actually brilliant!

Do I think EON/the public tried to “forget” OHMSS. Looking back, yes, probably there is an element of that with the franchise’s relationship with one of its own. But what gets forgotten therefore gets to be “discovered.” I’m forever glad of my own experience of a classic.

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I saw a double bill with my father of TMWTGG and TSWLM. The next year the whole family saw MR in the same theatre. I got a MR mini-poster that hung in the basement for years, next to ones for CITIZEN KANE and 1900.

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After being treated like it at least could easily be forgotten, the reputation rescue through some internet critics but also by guys like Steven Soderbergh seemed to succeed full steam ahead during the Craig era, culminating in the mirror universe of NTTD (Bond dying instead of the woman he loves/a virus threat for Bond, not for selected women/Bond rejoining the service for one last mission instead of Bond quitting and then coming back for good), even with using parts of the score, the song and the phrase „We have all the time in the world“.

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Lazenby isn’t to everyone’s tastes, and I get that. But the way to judge if someone is being unfair to OHMSS is by asking them about the non Lazenby elements such as the score, cinematography and so forth.

If all of those obvious strengths also get thrown under the bus then IMO their negativity has become irrational.

Connery: Six films to your one?
Lazenby: I only need one.

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While I personally love OHMSS, I’m not sure I’d go as far as you on this one. The movie just might not speak to some fans and I wouldn’t call that “irrational.”

But I do hear what you’re saying because that’s exactly how I feel about the fandom and NTTD. Reread your comment here but replace the word “Lazenby” with “Bond dying” and the word “OHMSS” with “NTTD” – as offensive as some fans might find this, I do sometimes find their distaste of NTTD to be irrational, especially as they hurl criticism after criticism at the film when it strikes me as if they just didn’t like the end. After all (IMO, of course), our most recent Bond adventure has so many “obvious strengths” that I fail to understand what is so egregious about the film that it is still being unfairly maligned over three years later.

Yes, I know some of you may be tempted to chime in right now with “legitimate” and “objective” reasons you dislike NTTD, and I think that’s the point. Sometimes a film just dosen’t speak to a person, and that’s fine too. As others have said, people are often turned off by things that are “different.”

Look at the bright side: at least Bond fans are way more respectful of divergent opinions than, say, Star Wars fans. Thank you for coming to my TED talk.

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I believe @sharpshooter argues that one cannot dismiss OHMSS just because Lazenby‘s in it and disregarding the many now classic contributions from the filmmakers because of a dislike for the main actor is absurd.

Just as one cannot disregard the qualities of NTTD just because one does not like the ending.

I do see many qualities in NTTD despite thinking that the ending, while working within the frame the whole movie prepares, serves the wrong purpose.

But I want to rewatch the Craig era with an open mind again, and maybe my opinion will change.

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I don’t think it is all that different, except for the ending, but I agree that’s the part that seems to turn people violently against it.

In my experience, when a film is working for you, you can turn a blind eye to its faults, or at least excuse them as minor compared to the overall greatness of the work. On the other hand, if it’s not working for you, every flaw grates on you and serves as further proof that the entire work is without worth. It’s just human nature.

That said, it is a little weird that the most divisive element of the film is the ending, which would mean retroactively deciding everything that led up to it was awful, and that’s a little more exercise than I’m willing to do. (Although in fairness, the ending is ham-handedly telegraphed far in advance, so I can see maybe not enjoying most of the island sequence).

I thought NTTD was the best-looking Bond film in a long while. Some of the stunts were also above what we’ve gotten used to in the Craig era (in particular, the sequence with Bond alone in the woods against multiple armed assailants was well done, and the final ascent up the staircase). There are some good moments of humor. The Cuba sequence seems to have been universally loved. Personally I’d call it one of Craig’s better entries, maybe even second behind CR. But it helps that I have no problem with the ending, since it’s only an ending for Craig’s Bond and not James Bond, period. Craig’s Bond lives in his own universe and nothing in his saga either adds to or subtracts from the legend. It’s an alternate reality. Kill him, maim him, marry him off, make him Prime Minister, it doesn’t matter. I enjoyed the freedom that came from that, and if they want to use it for a death scene, that’s cool. Honestly the only elements that bugged me were the ones that did try to link him to Classic Bond, like the Aston Martin (though by this point I’d resigned myself to it) and the pilfering of the Armstrong song. My suspicion is that those viewers who are (somehow) able to mentally link Craig’s Bond with Connery’s, Moore’s, Brosnan’s, etc resent that he had the “gall” to retroactively write an ending for the lot of them. I don’t have that problem. Maybe that’s why I couldn’t muster a tear in the death scene (which I guess is bad) but it’s also why I’m not up in arms about it happening at all.

Overall, NTTD is fine. If nothing else, as exits go I think most of us can agree that dying at the end of NTTD is still better than living at the end of SP.

That said, I highly doubt NTTD will be retroactively regarded as some kind of “misunderstood masterpiece” in the future. But I do think that as long as this hiatus stretches on, and for a while afterwards, it will earn some resentment from it’s proximity; it “killed” Bond on screen, then we had a long, long break. That encourages a mental association, a culpability if you will. It’s the same as LTK: it was followed by a long break and so some folks conclude it “nearly killed the series.” Once enough time has passed and there are a few more entries under the bridge, NTTD can be seen as an interesting experiment that took a few gambles with the formula. It’ll be rendered non-threatening. If nothing else, it’ll be one of the more “interesting” entries in a sea of sameness, and those entries always seem to fare better in hindsight than they sometimes do in the moment.

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If there are no more Bond films, though… :wink:

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I may be the only one here who’d be okay with that, honestly.

Look at it this way, if they can’t ever manage another film, at least now we have an ending. Maybe not to everyone’s liking, but an ending. And if Amazon or some other entity ends up churning out Bond “product,” maybe by the shovelful, NTTD will suddenly seem brilliant. Look what the Disney era Star Wars films did for the perception of the Lucas prequels: garbage to high art in one easy move.

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