Deathmatch 2022

As the 264 Deathmatches come to a conclusion for June 2022, a look back at the Group Stages (Round 1) for each of the categories - Villains, Films, Songs, Bonds - to see if any conclusions can be drawn, or just an excuse to give Die Another Day another Brooklyn Stomping; Eighty Percenter.

Obviously this only covers the four categories used, but perhaps one can perceive some trends here?

First up: overall performance in the Round 1 Group Stage, 1 being a win of the group, 5 being abject failure in finishing last:

Villains – Group Stage Films – Group Stage Songs – Group Stage Bonds – Group Stage First places Last places
Dr No 4 3 4 3 0 0
From Russia with Love 1 1 3 2 2 0
Goldfinger 1 1 2 1 3 0
Thunderball 2 3 3 3 0 0
You Only Live Twice 2 1 2 4 1 0
OHMSS 2 1 1 4 2 0
Diamonds are Forever 3 3 1 2 1 0
Live and Let Die 3 4 1 4 1 0
The Man with the Golden Gun 1 4 4 3 1 0
The Spy who Loved Me 3 1 1 1 3 0
Moonraker 1 2 2 3 1 0
For Your Eyes Only 4 3 4 2 0 0
Octopussy 3 5 5 5 0 3
A View to a Kill 2 4 2 5 0 1
The Living Daylights 5 4 3 1 1 1
Licence to Kill 2 3 5 3 0 1
GoldenEye 4 5 4 5 0 2
Tomorrow Never Dies 4 2 3 1 1 0
TWINE 4 5 4 5 0 2
Die Another Day 5 5 5 5 0 4
Casino Royale 3 2 1 1 2 0
Quantum of Solace 5 4 5 4 0 2
Skyfall 1 2 2 2 1 0
Spectre 5 5 5 4 0 3
No Time To Die 5 2 3 2 0 1

If you are a 1960s or 1970s Bond, and why on Earth shouldn’t you be, you have a solid chance of never finishing last in the group. If you’re Octopussy, you carry on being you.

Of the 20 opportunities across the four categories to finish top of a group, 15 are taken by 1960s (8) or 1970s (7) Bonds, and no opportunity taken by either decade of Bond to finish last in a group for a category. 1980s and 1990s Bonds have half the last place opportunities whilst only 10% of first places. If you are Die Another Day, with 4 straight last places for the 00s, you’re no use to anyone really, are you?

If you’re Goldfinger, well done you.

Next up, general progress through the Deathmatches, without seeking to predict remaining outcomes:

Round 1 only Ends at Round 2 Ends at Quarter-Finals Semi-Finals or better
Dr No 1 1 2 0
From Russia with Love 0 1 1 2
Goldfinger 0 0 0 4
Thunderball 0 2 1 1
You Only Live Twice 0 4 0 0
OHMSS 1 1 0 2
Diamonds are Forever 0 3 1 0
Live and Let Die 2 1 0 1
The Man with the Golden Gun 1 2 1 0
The Spy who Loved Me 0 1 1 2
Moonraker 0 3 0 1
For Your Eyes Only 1 2 1 0
Octopussy 4 0 0 0
A View to a Kill 2 0 2 0
The Living Daylights 1 3 0 0
Licence to Kill 2 2 0 0
GoldenEye 4 0 0 0
Tomorrow Never Dies 1 3 0 0
TWINE 3 1 0 0
Die Another Day 4 0 0 0
Casino Royale 0 1 2 1
Quantum of Solace 4 0 0 0
Skyfall 0 0 2 2
Spectre 4 0 0 0
No Time To Die 1 1 2 0

Notably never bothering to crawl out of their groups in any category - Octopussy, GoldenEye, Die Another Day, Quantum of Solace and Spectre.

Have to say, the results for GoldenEye throughout this month have surprised me. There used to be a time around here when to suggest it wasn’t great was met with heavy umbrage.

If you’re Goldfinger, well done you - part 2. Never less than a Semi-Finalist.

Skyfall is never less than a Quarter-Finalist, so at least something nearly modern has some hope. Scratching around for positives though.

Never getting past the Second Round - You Only Live Twice (seems fated to stop there), The Living Daylights, Licence to Kill, Tomorrow Never Dies and The World is Not Enough.

Next up - group position average per decade. Based on the things above, these probably won’t be a surprise:

Decade Group position average
60s Group position average 2.25
70s Group position average 2.4
80s Group position average 3.5
90s Group position average 3.83
00s Group position average 3.75
10s Group position average 3.25
20s Group position average 3

One could argue things are on the up.

Per Bond, and then ranking per Bond of Group placing in Round 1:

Bond Group position average
Connery 2.33
Lazenby 2
Moore 2.93
Dalton 3.25
Brosnan 4.125
Craig 3.15

The Lazenby one is obviously a false statistic but applying a previous test - if he had done Diamonds are Forever which otherwise remained as is (I accept this is absurd), the average group position there would be 2.25, and Connery’s would be 2.3, so read into that what you will.

Brosnan - hmm. Saved the series, he did. Honest.

Bond Group position average ranking, best to worst
Connery Goldfinger
From Russia with Love
You Only Live Twice
Diamonds are Forever
Thunderball
Dr No
Lazenby OHMSS
Moore The Spy who Loved Me
Moonraker
Live and Let Die
The Man with the Golden Gun
A View to a Kill
For Your Eyes Only
Octopussy
Dalton The Living Daylights
Licence to Kill
Brosnan Tomorrow Never Dies
TWINE
GoldenEye
Die Another Day
Craig Casino Royale
Skyfall
No Time To Die
Quantum of Solace
Spectre

As passing notes, The Living Daylights and Licence to Kill have the same average of 3.25 (i.e. possibly scraping through a group now and again depending on form, but more likely Lucky Losers - the losers) but The Living Daylights did bother to actually win one of its groups, so comes out higher.

Live and Let Die and The Man with the Golden Gun share a group average place of 3 (i.e. could get out, with a fair wind etc.) but Live and Let Die did win a group (and the Songs Deathmatch overall) so it goes higher.

Likewise GoldenEye and TWINE, for what they are worth (which is very little, evidently) have the same average of a position of 4.5 (i.e. not very likely to escape a group) but as TWINE did because some folks like the song, it finishes above The Faded Bond Jesus That Was GoldenEye.

Casino Royale and Skyfall share an average of 1.75, meaning very likely to get out of the group given that the top two do, but Casino Royale had two group wins to Skyfall’s one.

Well, I think it’s interesting.

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It’s very interesting, so Goldfinger is essentially Germany in football terms, and draw from that what you will, DAF is definitely 100% Holland :roll_eyes:, total football or something …

In the end ConneryBond in FRWL feels like the right winner, the performance is as hard as Dalton or Craig, charming as Moore and funny too, more human than GF.

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We have a winner of the Bonds Deathmatch: Connery - From Russia with Love.

1st - Connery - From Russia with Love
2nd - Connery - Goldfinger
3rd - Craig - Casino Royale
4th - Craig - Skyfall

On form, due to defeating his slightly younger self (youth has no guarantee of innovation), Connery - From Russia with Love secures a last-gasp change and wins the form league too. Dalton - The Living Daylights ends up comfortably in fifth and he might express pleasure at that were he actually capable.

Seedings straightforward as this is the only time this has run so far.

Performance Form (Position change from SF) (Form change from SF) Seed for 2023
Connery – From Russia with Love 78.63 (+1) (-1.23) 1
Connery – Goldfinger 74.5 (-1) (-6.36) 2
Craig – Casino Royale 71.25 (-) (-0.61) 3
Moore – The Spy who Loved Me 70.5 4
Dalton – The Living Daylights 67.6 5
Craig – Skyfall 60.25 (-) (-3.89) 6
Brosnan – Tomorrow Never Dies 60.2 7
Craig – No Time To Die 58 8
Moore – For Your Eyes Only 51.2 9
Connery – Diamonds are Forever 49.8 10
Moore – Moonraker 47.4
Connery – Thunderball 46.33
Connery – Dr No 46
Moore – The Man with the Golden Gun 41
Lazenby – OHMSS 40.75
Dalton – Licence to Kill 39.8
Craig – Quantum of Solace 37
Connery – You Only Live Twice 35
Moore – Live and Let Die 32.25
Brosnan – Die Another Day 30.75
Moore – Octopussy 30
Craig – Spectre 28.75
Brosnan – GoldenEye 25.5
Brosnan – TWINE 22.25
Moore – A View to a Kill 11

More number crunching shortly but firstly the roles of “honour” for the knockout Deathmatches this year, per film:

Villains Films Songs Bonds
1st Moonraker The Spy who Loved Me Live and Let Die From Russia with Love
2nd Goldfinger Goldfinger The Spy who Loved Me Goldfinger
3rd From Russia with Love OHMSS OHMSS Casino Royale
4th Thunderball Skyfall Goldfinger Skyfall

Of 16 available slots there, Goldfinger occupies a quarter of them and by getting into 3 Finals and a Semi-Final, whether that indicates high regard or, because it actually didn’t win one of these, less regard than it could have, is open to interpretation. Anyway, it’s the only film that did this, so it gets some sort of prize but as it hasn’t actually won anything, it can’t be gold. Oh, snivel not.

From Russia with Love and The Spy who Loved Me appeared twice in Semi-Finals onwards, and a win each. Impressive performances in the knockouts they won, by Drax for Moonraker and Live and Let Die for… Live and Let Die, but otherwise these films were nowhere-ish. The presence of Largo for Thunderball either suggests he’s massively underrated (which I tend to think) or that the Villains Deathmatch is perhaps a bit more open than the rest.

Junior elements of Casino Royale and Skyfall noted but consider overall, those aside, how old some of this stuff is…The Goldfinger / From Russia with Love / OHMSS / The Spy who Loved Me barrier is a hell of a one to get past. Perhaps that’s as it should be, given their qualities?

More soon.

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Goal difference table i.e. the difference between positive votes for an element and negative votes for an element.

Obviously the films that progress further will gather more of both, although Goldfinger, which played all matches it could (32) including 3rd place Death-offs, still gathered fewer negative goals against it than Die Another Day, Quantum of Solace and Spectre which didn’t get out of any of their groups so only played 16 each.

Positive votes Negative votes Goal difference Most +ve Least +ve
Dr No 160 248 -88 Bond Song
From Russia with Love 364 163 +201 Bond Song
Goldfinger 388 211 +177 Bond Song
Thunderball 228 214 +14 Villain Film
You Only Live Twice 218 169 +49 Song Bond
OHMSS 298 181 +117 Film Bond
Diamonds are Forever 211 188 +23 Song Villain
Live and Let Die 232 166 +66 Song Bond
The Man with the Golden Gun 178 201 -23 Villain Song
The Spy who Loved Me 327 174 +153 Film Villain
Moonraker 249 193 +56 Villain Bond
For Your Eyes Only 172 212 -40 Film Villain
Octopussy 99 217 -118 Villain Bond
A View to a Kill 166 268 -102 Song Bond
The Living Daylights 166 205 -39 Bond Villain
Licence to Kill 135 181 -46 Villain Song
GoldenEye 104 195 -91 Film Bond
Tomorrow Never Dies 172 186 -14 Film Song
TWINE 102 213 -111 Song Bond
Die Another Day 70 238 -168 Bond Film
Casino Royale 338 154 +184 Bond Villain
Quantum of Solace 71 223 -152 Bond Song
Skyfall 319 186 +133 Film Villain
Spectre 77 245 -168 Bond Villain
No Time To Die 171 219 -48 Bond Villain

The Craig era seems dominated by a positive view of its Bonds but underwhelming villainy (Greene gathered more positive votes than Another Way to Die, but only 5 more so it’s still weak villainy).

Not much that’s positive about the 1980s up to and including the last Brosnan.

Strong opening for Bond himself being so significant, then that tails away massively until The Living Daylights. Character got lost in all the nonsense? Other elements propping up no real character at all?

Positivity index - Goldfinger wins, it simply scored the most positives
GoldenBoot - From Russia with Love, the best goal difference

Negatiivity index - Die Another Day scraping only 70 positive votes
TheBoot - Die Another Day and Spectre cojoined on the worst goal difference, being -168

Biggest jump up in era in goal difference - Die Another Day to Casino Royale (+352 votes)
Smallest jump up in era in goal difference - Diamonds are Forever to Live and Let Die (+43 votes).
Jump backwards in era in goal difference - Licence to Kill to GoldenEye (-45 drop)

A View to a Kill and The Living Daylights scored the same number of positive votes. Go figure. However The Living Daylights had fewer goals scored against it, but still ended up with a negative goal difference overall. Hard to say overwhelmingly that this was successful regime change, although on reflection since Bond was the least positive aspect of A View to a Kill and the most positive aspect of The Living Daylights, perhaps it did make sense.

Scores over 100 positive points

Obviously all of these appeared in either the Final or Semi-Finals of their specific aspect; so they would be the last rats standing, but not all were the winners, of course.

Film Aspect Number of positive votes
Live and Let Die Song 137
From Russia with Love Bond 125
Casino Royale Bond 115
Moonraker Villain 108
The Spy who Loved Me Film 107
Goldfinger Bond 107
OHMSS Film 105
OHMSS Song 103
The Spy who Loved Me Song 102

With a total of 137 positive votes for its song of its 232 positive votes overall, Live and Let Die had 59% of its positive votes attributable to one aspect.

Might have a look later at which aspect of each film that contributed most to positivity, as identified above, contributed the highest percentage basis to its positivity. Can’t see much getting over Live and Let Die and its song.

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Back to the form tables…

Consolidated form (and rounded up/down) over the four Deathmatches this June, with ranking:

Form – Villains Position Form – Films Position Form – Songs Position Form – Bonds Position
Dr No 46 13 42 18 18 24 46 13
From Russia with Love 67 2 75 1 50 10 79 1
Goldfinger 67 3 62 7 57 9 75 2
Thunderball 61 7 48 12 49 11 46 12
You Only Live Twice 55 9 68 4 65 6 35 18
OHMSS 66 5 68 4 62 8 41 15
Diamonds are Forever 40 17 44 13 68 4 50 10
Live and Let Die 46 14 39 18 86 1 32 19
The Man with the Golden Gun 67 4 42 15 34 19 41 14
The Spy who Loved Me 53 11 71 3 64 7 71 4
Moonraker 73 1 50 10 46 13 47 11
For Your Eyes Only 40 15 48 11 39 15 51 9
Octopussy 37 19 32 20 28 20 30 21
A View to a Kill 54 10 19 24 70 3 11 25
The Living Daylights 24 22 39 19 46 14 68 5
Licence to Kill 59 8 44 14 21 22 40 16
GoldenEye 40 16 40 17 35 17 26 23
Tomorrow Never Dies 38 18 53 8 37 16 60 7
TWINE 34 20 24 22 46 12 23 24
Die Another Day 25 21 18 25 18 23 31 20
Casino Royale 51 12 72 2 74 2 71 3
Quantum of Solace 19 25 31 21 10 25 37 17
Skyfall 65 6 64 6 68 5 60 6
Spectre 20 24 24 23 22 21 29 22
No Time To Die 21 23 52 9 35 18 58 8

Issue here I suppose is consistency - consider Skyfall or (if you must) Spectre and Octopussy. Remarkable. OHMSS was going along OK, and then we had to involve the colonies for some reason. Still, so was You Only Live Twice until it came to voting for its Bond. I am not sure what that establishes.

Some are all over the place - Live and Let Die, A View to a Kill and No Time To Die particularly, depending on element voted upon. But then they are a bit all over the place, are they not?

Looking at average form and average position achieved by it, plays out as follows:

Merged form average Merged position average
From Russia with Love From Russia with Love
Casino Royale Casino Royale
Goldfinger Goldfinger
The Spy who Loved Me Skyfall
Skyfall The Spy who Loved Me
OHMSS OHMSS
You Only Live Twice Moonraker
Moonraker You Only Live Twice
Thunderball Thunderball
Live and Let Die Diamonds are Forever
Diamonds are Forever Tomorrow Never Dies
Tomorrow Never Dies For Your Eyes Only
The Man with the Golden Gun The Man with the Golden Gun
For Your Eyes Only Live and Let Die
The Living Daylights No Time To Die
No Time To Die The Living Daylights
Licence to Kill Licence to Kill
A View to a Kill A View to a Kill
Dr No Dr No
GoldenEye GoldenEye
TWINE TWINE
Octopussy Octopussy
Spectre Quantum of Solace
Die Another Day Die Another Day
Quantum of Solace Spectre

Not entirely sure what this establishes other than Live and Let Die’s form is substantially assisted by its score in the Songs category. Some mild shuffling around between the two ways of looking at it but the form horse this time was obviously From Russia with Love.

There are only 2 films from the 21st century in the top 10. We’re nearly quarter of the way through it. Some might ask - why bother?

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Top Ten of Everything 2022 (by form rather than knockout, and by name of film - I know some of the songs bain’t called dat)

Villain Film Song Bond
Moonraker From Russia with Love Live and Let Die From Russia with Love
From Russia with Love Casino Royale Casino Royale Goldfinger
Goldfinger The Spy who Loved Me A View to a Kill Casino Royale
The Man with the Golden Gun OHMSS Diamonds are Forever The Spy who Loved Me
OHMSS You Only Live Twice Skyfall The Living Daylights
Skyfall Skyfall You Only Live Twice Skyfall
Thunderball Goldfinger The Spy who Loved Me Tomorrow Never Dies
Licence to Kill Tomorrow Never Dies OHMSS No Time To Die
You Only Live Twice No Time To Die Goldfinger For Your Eyes Only
A View to a Kill Moonraker From Russia with Love Diamonds are Forever

So…

4 appearances in Top Ten 3 appearances in Top Ten 2 appearances in Top Ten 1 appearance in Top Ten Not bothering the Top Ten
From Russia with Love You Only Live Twice Moonraker Thunderball Dr No
Goldfinger OHMSS Diamonds are Forever Live and Let Die Octopussy
Skyfall The Spy who Loved Me A View to a Kill The Man with the Golden Gun GoldenEye
Casino Royale Tomorrow Never Dies For Your Eyes Only TWINE
No Time To Die The Living Daylights Die Another Day
Licence to Kill Quantum of Solace
Spectre

Always subject to the caveat that this is only in relation to four categories, but I’d call GoldenEye the underachiever of the year, here. I mean, A View to a Kill appears twice and it’s rubbish.

The others not in any Top Ten are perhaps less surprising, although I always think Dr No gets a raw deal; perhaps with other categories it would have a chance. Similarly with Octopussy, with a generous “maybe”.

You Only Live Twice and OHMSS let down by their Bonds; The Spy who Loved Me and Casino Royale by their Villains. The random factor is that “1 appearance” category and how For Your Eyes Only seems to have drifted into it. Possibly You Only Live Twice bucked perceived expectations?

Interesting start for No Time To Die, though.

Also interesting how the Bond performances tend (it is only tend) to point to the more “serious” depictions whilst the Villains on balance seem to veer towards the more outlandish / colourful / verbose. Serious Bond up against a loony? I suppose that’s Skyfall, come to think of it. There’s not a vast amount of crossover here between Bonds and Villains… outside of the permanent members of the Top Ten, there is none. Seems like we can’t have both.

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Seeding 2023

Folks have asked (I am lying; no-one has) what the significance of the seeding for next year is. It is how the Group stages will be structured; unless Eon do something mad and give us another Bond film by next year, which they’ve already said they won’t, it’ll be five groups of five again and the top ten seeds for each category are split around the groups. This might make for different outcomes, who knows?

Seeding was based on form throughout however many times the specific Deathmatch category has run; accordingly although Drax won this year’s Villains form table, OHMSS Blofeld has over the three years that one has run marginally had better form. Similarly, GoldenEye, although putting in an abject performance this year all-round, did finish much higher in previous years so scrapes in as tenth seed for Films.

So, the seeds for next year are:

Group Seed Villains Films Songs Bonds
A 1 OHMSS Blofeld The Spy who Loved Me Live and Let Die Connery – From Russia with Love
B 2 Drax Casino Royale A View to a Kill Connery – Goldfinger
C 3 Silva From Russia with Love You Know My Name Craig – Casino Royale
D 4 Scaramanga OHMSS We Have All the Time in the World Moore – The Spy who Loved Me
E 5 Klebb & Grant Skyfall Skyfall Dalton – The Living Daylights
A 6 Largo Goldfinger Goldfinger Craig – Skyfall
B 7 Sanchez Moonraker Nobody Does It Better Brosnan – Tomorrow Never Dies
C 8 Le Chiffre No Time To Die Diamonds are Forever Craig – No Time To Die
D 9 Zorin For Your Eyes Only You Only Live Twice Moore – For Your Eyes Only
E 10 Goldfinger GoldenEye The World is Not Enough Connery – Diamonds are Forever

So the groups look like this already, with the remaining three places in each to be filled when drawn in May 2023:

A – Villains B – Villains C – Villains D – Villains E - Villains
OHMSS Blofeld Drax Silva Scaramanga Klebb & Grant
Largo Sanchez Le Chiffre Zorin Goldfinger
TBA TBA TBA TBA TBA
TBA TBA TBA TBA TBA
TBA TBA TBA TBA TBA
A – Films B – Films C – Films D – Films E - Films
The Spy who Loved Me Casino Royale From Russia with Love OHMSS Skyfall
Goldfinger Moonraker No Time To Die For Your Eyes Only GoldenEye
TBA TBA TBA TBA TBA
TBA TBA TBA TBA TBA
TBA TBA TBA TBA TBA
A – Songs B – Songs C – Songs D – Songs E – Songs
Live and Let Die A View to a Kill You Know My Name We Have All the Time in the World Skyfall
Goldfinger Nobody Does it Better Diamonds are Forever You Only Live Twice The World is Not Enough
TBA TBA TBA TBA TBA
TBA TBA TBA TBA TBA
TBA TBA TBA TBA TBA
A – Bonds B – Bonds C – Bonds D – Bonds E - Bonds
Connery – From Russia with Love Connery - Goldfinger Craig – Casino Royale Moore – The Spy who Loved Me Dalton – The Living Daylights
Craig - Skyfall Brosnan – Tomorrow Never Dies Craig – No Time To Die Moore – For Your Eyes Only Connery – Diamonds are Forever
TBA TBA TBA TBA TBA
TBA TBA TBA TBA TBA
TBA TBA TBA TBA TBA

Slightly moist already, although that might just be age.

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It’s been a fantastic deathmatch this year, thanks for the effort @Jim.
My take aways have been…
With some effort @MrKiddWint and I will move Spectre into the last 16 by subtle :roll_eyes:, yet consistent signifiers, positive reinforcement and cajoling.
Connerys performance in FRWL, is THAT good. Not as charming or as in my heart as DAF, but that blend of reality, humour, sex appeal, confidence, a genuine sense of threat, not yet Superman. It’s a tightrope of a performance, that I think, most don’t, was only really matched again in Thunderball - perhaps the gadgets got in the way.

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OK, so for September 2022 a new round of Deathmatches.

First, the Bond Women - Group Stage opens 1 September and voting closes 3 September.

I have made some decisions, and they’re decisions with which you will have to cope. Firstly, based on a vote in June, the Bond Woman of Skyfall is M (apparently). With this I don’t agree and I shall skulk away to my private Florida residence-cum-awfulhouse thing to sulk and harbour both grudges and classified documents. But that’s democracy. I have also decided that Christmas Jones is the Bond Woman of TWINE, because someone has to be, and Solitaire’s surname is Perkins (I know in the book she is Simone Latrelle but Jane Seymour reminds me so much of a friend from school called Perkins. Good for him).

Vote on whatever basis you want. General appeal (as t’were), credibility of character (as t’weren’t), who would actually win in a physical punch-up or which fights you would like to see conducted with the underdressed contestants sloshing about in gravy. The M Skyfall v Domino encounter seems to lend itself particularly to that.

Group A

Honey Ryder
Tatiana Romanova
Stacey Sutton
Vesper Lynd (2006)
Madeleine Swann (Spectre)

Group B

Pussy Galore
Solitaire Perkins
Pam Bouvier
Natalya Simonova
Madeleine Swann (No Time to Die)

Group C

Domino Derval
Anya Amasova
Christmas Jones
Camille Montes
M Skyfall

Group D

Kissy Suzuki
Tiffany Case
Mary Goodnight
Wai Lin
Jinx Johnson

Group E

Tracy diVicenzo
Holly Goodhead (fnarr)
Melina Havelock
Octopussy Dexter-Smythe (one surmises)
Kara Milovy

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Group B is just mean

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Group D is the one that stood out for me.

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Skyfall has 2 M’s…

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…one of which doesn’t exactly qualify for a “Bond Women” deathmatch. :wink:

(personal opinion based on what I saw - or think I saw - in the movie. I could be wrong, though. No offense intended :expressionless:)

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I’m not going to lie…

So we’re all big Bond fans (duh!) and yet I’m sitting here looking at the list and I’m thinking "Which one is that again? Shoot, what was that actress’ name? Simonova, Amasova? C’mon, which one is who. And then, no lie, I’m on the record as a big QoS fan (and Camille, or as Greene says it, Camee one of my favorites) and I never realized (completely forgotten) that her surname is Montes…

It’s late in my time zone… And I’m old… Thanks Jim, for embarking us on another…!! :slight_smile:

(crikey, do I need to quickly re-watch each one to remind me? Can you actually watch TB so many times that you it erases from your memory?)

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As a guide, the draw is identical to all the categories in the June Matches o’Death. I might be trying to establish something with this, but I am not sure what it is yet.

Can’t deny that, and Ralph Fiennes in a smashing slashed-to-the-thigh frock is a private pleasure of mine, but for these purposes, 'tis The Dench. Even though, as stated, I think the Bond Woman of Skyfall is Moneypenny anyway. See? See what chaos ensues when democracy is upheld? Bah.

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In which classified, Ketchup stained, top secret McDonald’s wrapper is that information about Jinx Johnson???

Oh, I’d rather not…

I suppose Johnson is a reference to a willy.

Die Another Day - it’s so sophisticated.

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At the end of Die Another Day when Bond and Jinx arrive at the South Korean bunker, they get out of the jeep and are met by Charles Robinson who greets them by saying to Bond and then Jinx, “James…Ms. Johnson.”

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In the scene we have all thrice-cock(fnarr)-crow denied out of important brain time, when she waddles from the sea clothed in Donald Trump’s skin and she introduces herself to Bond in that cripplingly inane exchange of dialogue, she claims her name is Giacinta Johnson. I think that’s Spanish for “Giant Willy”. I think. There’s a mouthful.

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Jim, if I may be so pedantic, Octopussy’s last name should just be Smythe. Dexter was her father’s first name seeing as it was taken from the Ian Fleming short story. Though I agree with you about Eve Moneypenny being the real Bond girl from Skyfall.

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