To be honest, i like roger moore a lot - but he came across as a bit of an old grouch when it came to Grace Jones (complaining about loud music and such)
Something from Q branch? Things they come up with!
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All the more for PWB to tinkle with.
If thatās the case then itās perhaps even more annoying that the script is (apparently) still not finished.
However, I guess the stop/start nature of such a gig wouldnāt be easy, so itās hard to hold a grudge at any one person.
ItĀ“s certainly not the fault of Fukunaga or EON. Left to their own, the creative people would always come up with something exciting, even in a short time frame. But as there are always too many cooks in the kitchen, everyoneās meddling - and THAT is always costing time and nerves.
I bet EON yearn for the days when Bond was still a commodity nobody really was aware of, Connery was not a huge star yet, and the films could still be made quickly and without too much overthinking.
Well, I guess that went out the window after GOLDFINGER already.
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I think MGW is the only one left who was around behind the scenes then.
Weird to think the little girl Chitty Chitty Bang Bang was made for is now the series boss.
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True, it was really two different generations forced to meet on a job each would rather have done with other people.
Grace Jones today is regarded as a bit of a legend with a certain set. But the fact of the matter was, nearly her whole career she was more style than substance and only really vastly popular during those few years in the 80s. Butā¦
When she was popular she was absolutely the rage with the youngsters and that was what counted. She was young and a hot commodity on the market, thatās how she got the job. I think most of us wouldnāt have behaved so much better under the circumstances.
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Yeah i suspect thrusting Grace Jones (knowing her personality, let alone at her peak) into that environment was a recipe for difficulty - but it does seem like Roger Moore was not really improving the situation either so idk if its fair to just complain about her being difficult or diva-ish given how ācomfortableā Roger must have been in the Bond bubble too.
Yes that part I got. Itās more like she hates everything about him up until they have dinner on the train when she starts liking him. However in the previous scene to that sheās still cold with him. You never get a sense that sheās coming around, but all of a sudden she does.
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Ian wrote the book for Caspar, Cubby made the film for BB.
Ah, my bad, shouldāve specified I meant the film rather than the book.
Weeelllā¦
The relationship between Bond and Madeleine goes through several beats until they sleep together:
- Bond meeting Madeleine, establishing that he is an assassin and was present during her fatherās death; Madeleine stays cold and averse
- Bond rescues Madeleine from Hinx - she is still hesitant and angry at him for disrupting her life
- Bond takes her to Q, she begins to trust him and wants to come to Tangier with him
- Bond and Madeleine check in her fatherās hotel room, she drunkenly flirts with him
- Bond and Madeleine find the Secret Room, she believes his story now and again insists on following the trail to Blofeld
- Madeleine tells Bond the story about BlofeldĀ“s people visiting her father, with her being capable of handling a gun
- They dress up and flirt more - then Hinx attacks and threatens to kill Bond, with Madeleine helping Bond to survive.
Only then they are sleeping together. They have come to know and trust each other at this point, and after overcoming the spectre of death, they seek release in a passion.
Feels perfectly well established up to this point, IMO.
Only when she tells him she loves him during the torture scene I think it is unearned and even unnecessary.
As for DAD: I actually consider it a truly Bondian transition, showing his escape and then nonchalantly walking into the hotel in which he, as every Bond before him, is immediately welcomed.
Absolutely - Moore was quite used to being the gravitational centre of the Bond people; he certainly didnāt expect - or appreciate - being on the receiving end of Jones.
As you said, a receipt for trouble. And no production needs that.
EDIT:
There is another anecdote from the set of OCTOPUSSY that illustrates how Moore was also known for the odd āparticularā moment during work:
The poster with Octopussy wrapping several arms around Bond was supposedly given an additional arm by Mooreā¦
So par for the course.
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About the same as going from suicidal to madly in love with a man you met twiceā¦
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Man, that gif gives me whiplash.
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Why does Madeline need more time to be convincingly willing to sleep with Bond than her 23 films worth of processors? most of who slept with him in fair less time?
Even in Spectre we have two women more than happy to sleep with him with FAR less set up (yes, I know Bond only sleeps with one of them) one of which had only met him that day, the first time at her husbands funeral, the second time shooting people in her back garden.
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I quite believed their relationship, it was the finale in London that jarred for me , if you go I leave ( to be conveniently kidnapped) till then I thought it very believable
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Definitely - the extremely condensed time with Lucia is one of the greatest missed opportunities of that film. She and Hinx should have been kept in play much longer.
Oh, man, just thinking about that gives one so many ideas which would have elevated that story so much.
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But itās pretty par for the course for Bond movies. Natalia in Goldeneye, for example, their actual time together up to that point wouldnāt have reached 5 minutes in screen time.
Again, Tracy, sheād met him twice before that idea is brought inā¦Madeline was a long term relationship by comparison.