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I both agree and disagree with this.

I mean, it’s about chemistry, that can’t be acted (though I know a fantastic writer on British tv disagrees with the concept of natural chemistry, “That’s just called being a good actor!”), but that’s as true of heterosexual pairing as it is homosexual one. However, you don’t have to have two homosexual actors to get that chemistry between two men - see Donald Faison and Zach Braff in Scrubs or Jensen Ackles and Jared Padalecki in Supernatural, it’s about just how comfortable the two actors are together, in the same way a heterosexual romantic pairing doesn’t actually need two heterosexual actors; Matt Bomer and Hilarie Burton in White Collar being a brilliant example.

That was disagree. Now onto why I agree; cultural context of 1948

Hitchcock would’ve needed two actors who were actually gay, just to tell a (barely) sub textual story, as the fact that homosexuality would remain illegal in the UK for another 20 years after they made the film (19 after they released it), not to mention the sociological conventions of heterosexual men to not show emotion or be in touch with their feelings (which has now lead to incredibly high male suicide rate) Only men who were actually gay would’ve had the experiences that Hitchcock wanted to convey, of staging each moment between the pair the same way he staged romantic pairings in his other films. The attitudes of “real men don’t cry” coupled with the illegality of homosexuality, to the point were even coming across as “a bit gay” was something to be scared of, ruled out having actor pairings such as the examples mentioned above. Governmental restrictions hinder society.

Those very dangerous and harmful assumptions regarding how heterosexual men should act together remains so institutionalised in society that any friendship were they show any form of actual relationship is immediately seen as being a gay love story, by a depressing amount of the audience, which has always struck me (90’s kid I am) as backwards thinking, and actually veering on homophobic, as it calls back to any men or women in a homosexual relationship never being referred to in a romantic concept “yes, your great uncle Philip and house mate James arn’t in a relationship, they’re just very good friends” - but I feel this is a rant for another time, how racist and homophobic assumptions live today, even in a more liberal society, and still cause just as much harm as they did when they were more blatantly bigoted.

Trivia note; although Rope is seen by many as only being viewed as being about a homosexual pairing in modern critique, the 1929 play of the same name, on which the film is based, stated they are a gay couple. The only reason the film doesnt flatly state it, as the play does, was to sell the film in territories were homosexuality was illegal; a concern film makers still, unfortunately, need to consider if they want to sell their work internationally. That odd disparity, where “art didn’t feature something until I personally noticed it” is surprisingly common. I actually have a gif of Moriarty from Sherlock saved on my iPad purely for the amount of time I see that attitude come up…

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On a side note, having watched the Birds today for the first time in over 20 years ( it’s the least watched Hitchcock for me) I was struck by something that passed my by in previous viewings. Susanne Pleshet’s performance is incredible. She’s the real person between the vapid princess and boorish oaf. The scene where she is describing why she stayed in the cove is probably one of the five best screen performances I have ever seen.
It’s up there with Hoskin’s final scene in the cab in The Long Good Friday. Don’t know how I missed the power of it before.

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Not sure if anyone saw these but as it’s April 2nd

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Wow! Great picture! I hope this one will be in “the making of book”.

And a new clapperboard! 37K, Matera, Bond strangling Primo.

I think it is about more than chemistry–it is about being. Chemistry has to be there for any pair of actors portraying lovers on screen. Upon reflection I realize I was mistaken when I used the term “comfortability” in my post. The two pairs of actors you mention in your post are certainly comfortable playing gay characters. My critique is that particular tells exist (or do not exist) in their performances (and these tells are not something that can be acted which ties into the second part of your response).

Exactly. AH could never ask an actor to play gay. In ROPE it was so obvious what he was up to that both Cary Grant (Rupert) and Montgomery Clift (Phillip) turned down his offer of a role in the film. When Hollywood did try to portray gay characters in a non-stereotypical way, you wound up with Richard Burton and Rex Harrison in Stanley Donen’s STAIRCASE and William Hurt in KISS OF THE SPIDER WOMAN.

Which allows you, your cohort, and subsequent cohorts (or portions thereof) to be more comfortable with men (of all stripes) expressing their feelings/emotions/vulnerabilities/same-sex desires–either within their owns lives or as expressed/demonstrated by other men. This is why the two pairs of actors you noted can passably play gay men–they lack some of the inhibiting baggage of previous generations. The only thing that they cannot act are the cues of same-sex desire.

A note on the gay content: when Hitchcock first sent the play to the Breen Office (upholder of the Production Code), they were more concerned with the liquor consumption in the play and not about any queer content. When AH later sent Laurents’ script, there were the same concerns about liquor content, but now also about the possibility of the two leads being understood as gay. The Office wanted a few “my dear boy”'s dropped and Brandon’s line about a “a lovely excuse” changed to just “an excuse.” They also expressed concern about the echoes of the Leopold and Loeb case which they hadn’t when they read the play. Hitchcock made some changes and was able to make the film. He even offered to show the Breen Office the film reel by reel, since once shooting was over, he could not respond to any complaints by making cuts to the movie.

Interestingly, the Catholic Legion of Decency rated the movie: Class A, Section Two–morally unobjectionable for adults. But the film ran into a lot of trouble in local communities. Here is an interesting article from The New York Times from 1948:

https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/library/film/112148hitch-rope-censorship.html

It concludes:

“…it is not often that a picture guns into such difficulty on the scale that “Rope” has up to the moment. Especially is this true when, as in the case of “Rope,” there have been no pronounced objections voiced by religious groups.”

From what I have leaned, it was the “thrill kill” aspect of the film that seem to cause more trouble than the gay aspects. Besides being a superb work of art, ROPE is also a fascinating cultural study.

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I do think the tells of homosexual desire could be learnt and replicated by a straight actor given time to study, but, in 2020, why would you bother? Those lessening of discriminatory social attitudes that would provide Hitchcock with more options today, also means that gay men can publicly say as such with less blowback; There are many out and proud actors with incredible reputations and plaudits to match; Andrew Scott, Matt Bomer, David Hyde Pierce, some little known actor called Sir Ian Mckellen…

I present the story of The People of Illinois v. Leopold and Loeb

Rope’s pair were far better at it.

The interviewer is blatantly quote fishing, but Seydoux handles it brilliantly. It’s a masterclass of taking what she knows the interviewer wants to hear and twisting it.

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I think it’s another interview of Lea

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Well i always mist up a little in the close moments of OHMSS

I mist up at Kananga’s death in LALD, though for different reasons.

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The only downside to OHMSS is that for some unknown and completely unreasonable decision, as soon as they go to credits after that scene, they crash in with the James Bond theme.

It is completely inappropriate to my mind.

As soon as the scene ends, I mute the volume and watch the credits in silence. It allows for a more poignant ending.

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The opening statement is rousing, but once the synthesized version of the theme plays I think it works okay, and find it reflective enough to ponder what just happened. I’d wager the theme was chosen for the last image of the film - James Bond 007 will return in “Diamonds Are Forever”. Providing a sense of hope to the audience looking forward.

Having seen it in the cinema over Christmas, I was struck by how brave the ending actually is , I agree with @sharpshooter that it provided a quantum of solace ( fnar) to the audience even in 2019

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Round of applause for @Stbernard for the correct use of that. It’s an ability that still evades some journalists.

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Yes it does

Those same journalists that have to point out every single hitch in No Time To Die’s production in every article

Yes. Those are the ones - stupid tabloid and proud; the mentality of that kid at the back of the room.

Fair enough!

Ending OHMSS and introducing Diamonds Are Forever is a perfect title for the next movie (even if the finished product was a very different film) as it echoes what Fleming wrote in the novel:

“Mister, nothing is forever. Only death is permanent. Nothing is forever except what you did to me.”

The only other time a Bond film made me gasp was when Timothy Dalton discovered Felix Leiter because I knew what had happened in the Live and Let Die book. It too, echoes Tracy.

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