Absolutely correct! So I say again… since the person we’re talking about (Ash) was with Safin why would he want to get Bond’s DNA from a flipping toothbrush?
He was also working for Spectre. Blofeld had him take Bond’s dna, but Ash was safe in the knowledge that the scientist was also working for Safin.
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I just can’t get myself to agree that is a possibility.
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Why would a major plot point like that not even be mentioned in the movie?
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From a story perspective, what are the chances 2 separate and competing groups would recruit the same random CIA agent?
It just feels like we’re trying force in additional backstory that just isn’t there, nor honestly needs to be.
They didn’t. Gorbachev reveals that Ash is Spectre, but Ash then lets him know that he is the same as him, a spectre agent that Safin convinced to join him instead.
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Note that Ash was surprised that Gorbachev backed him despite thinking he’s Spectre mole, rather than one who branched off with Safin.
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Apparently just reposting the last time I posted the video that made it very clear isn’t allowed
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Didn’t think that this was so difficult.
Felix and Ash visit Bond’s house while he’s out fishing. Bond returns, finds cigar, takes shower brushes teeth, drives to town, meets Felix and Ash, goes to the bar, where we learn that Primo is also in Jamaica.
At this point, Ash is with Safin, Primo is with Spectre. Spectre want to kill Bond using Heracles, so they need the DNA, this is why Primo steals the toothbrush (offscreen). Later in Cuba, we see Primo hand the toothbrush to Obruchev (who he thinks is with Spectre but really is Safin’s mole) and asks if that is sufficient (a bit late, I’d say - what if Obruchev says “No”?). Obruchev says “If he used it, Yes.” Then he weaponizes Heracles, apparently with Bond’s DNA, but switches the stick for one with the DNA of Spectre’s heavyweights. Because he’s with Safin, who has no intention to kill Bond but to eliminate Spectre.
As Ash knows Safin’s plans, he knew that Bond would get out of Cuba alive. Spectre got Obruchev into Cuba (which MI6 noticed), working into Safin’s hands unknowingly. But Safin needed to get Obruchev out again, so he arranges for Bond to get that job, apparently for the CIA. This helps Safin to stay under the radar, because he still needs time to finalize Heracles and be able to sell it. At this point, no one knows that there’s another party (Safin) involved. They all think it’s just MI6, CIA and Spectre. Now, all Ash has got to do is kill his two witnesses (Bond and Felix) and get Obruchev to Safin’s island.
Later, when Q browses the videos from Blofeld’s eyeball, we see a short sequence in which Ash recruits Primo for Spectre (goes to show that Ash was never a member of Spectre, otherwise he wouldn’t need to introduce himself “You know who I’m representing.”
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I’ll get back to the Spectre thing in a second… first I need to figure out how the former President of the Soviet Union works into this now… 
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My bad, Ignore the G. The Russian scientist who betrays his employers (both of them) is Obruchev.
Makes me think whichever of the 5 writers who made him wasn’t spraining any muscles with the name…
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It’s an abreviation for “Obviously Russian”, the “chev” is added for style. But it’s never stated that he’s really Russian, he might as well be from Belarus or Ukraine. 
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After what Cyclops witnessed, Ash would need to do that, given they’re both alive and knowing what Heracles does?
But if Ash had been with Spectre, he would have been at the boss’ birthday party in order not to raise any suspicion.
He was on the job at the time - it’s what gave him away!
Here we’re at it again: trying to put logic into a Bond movie… 
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They easily could have built that lair in an active volcano next to a fishing village without anyone noticing!
…then keep landing a rocket in it, again without anyone noticing
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Ironically I was just today trying to say to someone that the The Dark Knight Trilogy’s version of realism is the same as when Bond movies do it. Said with enough confidence so you believe it…just don’t actually think about it…
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But they learned from that: Hugo Drax went to the jungle because he knew, if he wants to secretly build a giant space station, he’s going to need ten dozen of Space Shuttle starts and landings which need to go unnoticed. And of course he knew that the first thing that needs to go up is the radar jamming device… 
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Then miscount by one so needs to steal it back…
It is an odd series we love.
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That’s part of the fun. Whenever someone starts trashing Bond around me in real life, I’m always happy to chime in, saying “Bet you thought you’re clever by pointing this plothole out, but did you notice…” and then come up with something even more absurd.
But different from other franchises’ fans, we know that it’s utter bogus and escapism and are capable of mocking ourselfs and the franchise. No need to form some semi-religious Jedi cult or invent alien languages to translate the Bible into…
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Bond with self-depreciation?!?!?
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