There won’t be a female Bond.
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It’s ludicrous. Doesn’t the name James Bond give it away for these people?
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Posing as a James is part of her cover 
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oh yeah im not saying the scene is the best or that the scene should be done in a towel (which seems kind of pointless) just wanted to point out what the scene likely was that he did/why he would have been in a towel.
I guess that’s where we differ. I disagree with a lot of the current feminist movement, and the #metoo business in particular - some might even call me an anti-feminist - but even I’m not comfortable with an audition which involves someone being naked under a towel., regardless of their gender. Neither do I like that poolside picture of Craig from Spectre, or Aiden Turner having to take his shirt off. It’s one thing for those images to be included in a film, but quite another when they are being used to court the media.
Btw, I don’t believe there will be a female Bond either. I was being hyperthetical.
Do they really insist on the actor being naked?
So you think women should just accept rape & sexual abuse?
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Oh boy. I’d forgotten how confrontational this site can be.
Okay, let’s start spinning plates again:
Odd Jobbies: Well, if we’re talking about a hypothetical actress doing that scene, I’d think she would keep their knickers on, but certainly her upper-body would be naked.
Orion: Of course I don’t believe women should accept rape and sexual abuse. I just think that things have gone a little far - as someone else intimated above. There are women who are partly culpable in the Harvey Weinstein scandal. If all those women had rejected the sick little pervert en masse, there wouldn’t have been a scandal to speak of.
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Okay, but when you say “#metoo in particular”, that is a movement for survivors of sexual abuse and rape, both male and female, you just trivialised the worst crime that can happen to a human. Weinstein had power, far, FAR more than any person should, all those people who never spoke up were scared. So cool dude, go you on victim blaming just cause the topic makes you feel uncomfortable.
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Point i’ve (poorly) been trying to make is that there are a broad spectrum of issues and scenarios in the metoo debate. Problems occur when some try to lump more trivial things in with very serious things to further their agenda, or for personal financial gain, or out of shear spite.
Separating these things is a complex issue that a judge and jury need to examine in each case. Even then i imagine its a very difficult thing to discriminate between sexual violence and poor judgement on either side.
But by lumping it all together as wrong, or right, trivialises it all. So i don’t think that when BondFan says they disagree with the current feminist movement he is in any way endorsing rape & sexual abuse. Most movements have collateral damage, such as the innocent falling victim to wide sweeping animosity. Some don’t think the ends justify the means and surely it’s ok for some to have such reservations.
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Thank you, odd_jobbies. I appreciate what you wrote.
Orion, I have previously written on this board how uncomfortable I am with the “shower scene” in Skyfall, and in particular how it involved a former sex slave. I argued strenuously regarding the insensitivity of such a scene. So the fact you’re suggesting I agree with sexual abuse is staggering in context. The #MeToo movement has brought to light many things, but sadly there are things which have been bracketed under it which have no good reason being there. In the last three years, the term has broadened considerably and no longer refers to the rape of women, but also ecompasses much more, to the point where a man may not be able to ask a female colleague out on a date, for example. It is these sort of elements with which I have a problem.
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I think most workplaces don’t really look very kindly on interoffice dating anyway but beside that point, so much of the “metoo means I cant call a woman pretty anymore” is total garbage talking points made up by people trying to discredit the movement and womens ability to speak out. MeToo has always been about respect for women and allowing them to live their lives equally and without harrassment - that 1/2 of women dont feel safe walking home alone at night should say a lot. Try and display a little of the empathy you showed to Henry Cavill being called chubby to women who are harrassed, whistled at, touched inappropriately, raped and worse… (p.s women were definitely unhappy about these things before #metoo they just didnt say anything because they didnt think they could or that anyone would listen)
My pleasure!
And btw, i like the dodgy SP shower scene, it reminds us that Bond’s a man of moral dilemma unimaginable to us mere mortals.
After a day of brutal, bare knuckle killing a shower with a sex worker/slave is probably small fry, i imagine. How would i know, the only thing i’ve ever killed is my popularity (thankfully i’ve learnt to stop doing that… Oh, wait… Doh!)
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Oh I certainly understand that others have other interpretations of that particular scene. I certainly don’t wish to bring it all up again; live and let live. It’s one of those scenes which would be interesting to read in a novelization, so we could discover his thoughts, and put them into sharper relief. It’s definitely an interesting view that Bond may prioritise his morals in a different order to someone else. Maybe he fiddles his expenses forms too 
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Okay, that I get. An overly trivial use of a term has changed the meaning for some. It being used in (often tabloid) corners as nothing more than a buzz word has confused its meaning for some so they think a women being given a well written character in fiction is the same as someone, as MeToo is not gender specific, being shoved into a corner and raped.
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Well, I thought that shower scene was - shall we say - problematic, four years before Tarana Burke coined the phrase “me too” - not to bring all that up again. Point being, the definition has changed remarkably since then, almost to the point that it means whatever any given person wants it to mean. No one in his right mind would think rape was permissable, even Weinstein himself may well draw the line at that (he was a manipulative, spoilt, cold-hearted, emotionally immature little sex pest, but I think we may deminish the term ‘monster’ if we call him that, as others have).
au89: I definitely have empathy for women who have been made to reveal more of their bodies, and have always applauded those who refuse to do so. (Only the other day, I read of once actress who refused to lose weight for a role - which I thought was absolutley fantastic). I don’t think, though, that we should call rubbish on people who notice particular issues that the movement may ellicit. It’s the one-size-fits-all issue that bothers me: that one stray compliment may make a person tantermount to a serial sex offender. Even smiling to people, I’ve heard, has decreased because of this. The fact that a man may not ask a woman to see if a film they are both interested in seeing, because he is worried the woman may take offence and report him, as if he’s committed some sort of capital offence. Most people, after all, meet their partners at work as that it were most people spend their time - one in ten Americans, to be precise.
That’s just one example I’ve chosen as I think it may be the most easily relatable, though I don’t have a regular workplace myself, so don’t experience that personally. Another example is how mud sticks, and one woman taking offence at something can cause permanent damage to that man’s life and career. Just look at how one such accusation has affected Cliff Richard’s life, despite it being so easily disprovable.
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Simply not true, repeating the horrific misinterpretation of this problem in an embarrassingly laid back-manner.
Read Ronan Farrow´s perfectly researched book “Catch and Kill” and you will know the utter cruelty everybody was subjected to, and why “just saying no” did not work at all.
Now, let’s go back to “who do you want for Bond 7”.
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Rose McGowen’s Bond vs Harvey Weinstein’s Blofeld (trying earnestly to resist the pussy gags)
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“Do you expect me to talk?”
“Well, yes actually, Ms Bond, which is why I want you to sign a non-disclosure agreement.”
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Pierce Brosnan has weighed into the debate, telling USA Today that he approves of a female James Bond: “I’m ready for a woman to play it. I think it would be magnificent to see a woman play it."
He added, “I think we’ve watched the guys do it for the last 40 years. Get out of the way, guys, and put a woman up there. I think it would be exhilarating, it would be exciting.”
However, “I don’t think that’s going to happen with the Broccolis. I don’t think that is going to happen under their watch.” Nevertheless, he says Bond must cope with the present: “The #MeToo movement has been relevant and significant and well needed in our society, so they’ll have to address that.”
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