And they hired Adele, who is an artist pretty widely seen as credible. I’m not a massive fan, but she is at least of the moment and she doesn’t peddle rubbish: they’re proper songs and she commands a lot of respect. I think Sam Smith is dire, but they are again, of the moment and have a big cool factor (if slightly poppier than I’d prefer, but y’know: Duran Duran).
I’d say in terms of credibility, Adele and even Smith are way above Sting, who has been a bit of a joke for decades now (see that Musketeers song above).
I can’t quite figure out how Rod Stewart doesn’t seem as big of a joke. Maybe it’s because he seems to have a sense of humour about himself, or was a properly enduring current star for longer…? Dunno.
But you’re vaguely aware of culture, no? Do you think that Sting is an artist who is widely seen as credible or highly respected? He has his fans, but then so does David Essex (no disrespect to Dave). Do you think Sting makes great music? What was his last hit (objective)?
I hate to tell you this but “Duran Duran” did not make Roger Moore´s Bond cool at all.
And again, you probably should brush up on your knowledge of pop music history if you don’t know about the significance of artists like Sting or Rod Stewart. Also, having hits right now doesn’t mean anything anymore. Back when Sting and Stewart had world wide hits it actually meant having huge sales, however.
This is the link for the Lea and Lashana scene photos.
Once again, no idea what’s going on there. No Bond around. I am guessing this is from towards the end of the film, with Madeleine back involved in the plot, but no further guesses.
I do actually.
I’ll make the point I just made to Dustin: there’s nothing wrong with enjoying the latest track from Sade or whatever- I myself have quite a few guilty pleasures in my music collection (although I don’t really like that phrase: you like what you like and you shouldn’t feel guilty about that).
But we’re talking about a James Bond movie here. He wears Tom Ford, he has stylish and classy opening title graphics by one of the best directors around, he has smoky and rich and classy music playing behind him, he drives the coolest car (and very probably has put it on the cool list); his very function, unlike say Ethan Hunt or Jason Hunt, is to be the epitome of style and cool. It’s why Craig is always hitting those perfect poses and looking like Steve McQueen. ‘Cool’ is very much part of the Bond formula. And Sting… isn’t that. Many artists are, but he lost his cool factor many decades ago. Compare him taking his top off on stage to Iggy Pop doing it: everyone laughed and thought ‘that’s a bit weird’ when he did it
He doesn’t fit with the Bond bubble very well: the brands don’t align. You’re perfectly welcome to listen to his stuff, but I’m saying why he wouldn’t be a great Bond fit.
Possibly it’s a reverse of what we’ve been thinking. At the end, Madeleine believes Bond to be dead, and then he miraculously reappears. His hobby, after all: “resurrection”.
Adele was never considered “cool” - she was a mainstream performer enjoying huge success at that moment because even grandmas loved her music and coffee shops could play her songs all day long without alienating their customers.
That is the factor movie-Bond has always associated with: success. Style and class - well, that is also as much depending on current fashion as coolness. Yeah, safari suits were considered manly during the 70´s. But again, it was all about asserting power through success.
If Bond had ever gone for being cool and hip he would have been associated with the “Beatles” during the 60´s, not going the parents´ route making fun of listening to them only with earmuffs on.
And as for Sting (damn, why am I defending him as if he needed it?): if he is considered cool anymore or not is not the issue here. You were doubting his status as a serious and lauded musician. That just does not hold any water.
I actually liked that song (never bothered to see the movie itself though…) but yeah, that’s not what I would expect from Sting for NTTD… Don’t forget his song “It’s Probably Me” (which I believe was co-written by Eric Clapton and Michael Kamen) was used in one of the Lethal Weapon films… I forget which one. THAT is more what I’m expecting. Because of that song I’ve always been championing for Sting to get a crack at doing a Bond theme.
She’s always been considered credible. A proper cross-cultural hit, played on Radio 1, 2, and even 6. That’s certainly not uncool.
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And cool. Look at any photo of Connery leaning against that Aston from Goldfinger or the like and tell me he’s not supposed to be cool. ‘Men are supposed to want to be him’.
McCartney did a Bond song. And George Martin wrote the music for a Bond film. What were you saying about knowledge of history?
He’s not cool and he’s not really lauded as serious musician any more, no. He’s got his fans, I’m sure they love it; but in a wider cultural sense, although somewhat still respected for his Police stuff, he’s a bit of a joke, yes. Alan Partridge would like him.
Men wanted to be like Connery at that time because they wanted to be as manly. Coolness was of no concern back then to real men.
Nah, nah, nah - you’re mixing things up again to suit your points.
60´s ConneryBond = oh, no, The Beatles are terrible. 70´s MooreBond = Saltzman hated the song, the coolness of McCartney during his Wings phase was not as high anymore (but they were still terrific, so…);
also: we don’t have Barry and we don’t have the money for any other composer, so let Martin do the rest. Coolness was of no concern back then either, my friend. It is a concept of the 90´s that has been adopted until today.
Wow, you’re doing it again. I just said its not about him being cool or not. And the wider cultural sense still appreciates Sting as a legendary musician. A joke? No, really not. Maybe by your friends, and that’s okay. But your putdown with Partridge does not make it any truer. Nor you any cooler.
Right. There was no such thing as cool in the 60s. Uh-huh.
I can’t even be bothered to respond to that. Please just flick through some photography books, some fashion, some music history books or websites.
I didn’t say they were up to date (they got him only three years after the Beatles released their last record: The Police broke up 36 years ago) , but Bond associated with the Beatles and their currency, in a pretty massive way. Let’s not try and dance around it.
It’s what we’re talking about.
Yeah, he kind of is. He’s up there with Bono as a figure of fun, slightly ridiculed for his high-minded ways and lifestyle and increasingly MOR music. He’s not exactly Bowie: embraced by the old and young as a constantly-relevant genius, is he? Or even other contemporaries like Paul Weller; Sting is the butt of way more jokes and hasn’t kept as up to date.
There’s nothing wrong with being MOR and entertaining your fans, but that doesn’t make that someone Bond song material for my money.
Jeez, the agenda in that article, the manufactured drama – it’s sickening. But, that’s how tabloids run.
Anyway, on from the photo displaying Diving Services UK, in the highest numbered clapperboard to date, the one that referred to “coastal driving shots”, I originally misread it and thought it said “coastal DIVING shots”; maybe I was unintentionally correct?
As to Swann & Nomi together, maybe Bond has been captured and is being held at the location the Isle of Wight is doubling for (presumably the main villain’s lair)?
ETA: it may not have been the Isle of Wight, but I remember photos of a building encompassing the whole of an island and I thought it was near England. Can’t find the original post, can someone help?
) but yeah, that’s not what I would expect from Sting for NTTD… Don’t forget his song “It’s Probably Me” (which I believe was co-written by Eric Clapton and Michael Kamen) was used in one of the Lethal Weapon films… I forget which one. THAT is more what I’m expecting. Because of that song I’ve always been championing for Sting to get a crack at doing a Bond theme.