summed up perfectly, as for your point on Media attention as usual the Avengers End Game “Women Power” scene comes Into mind for being the most “woke”
This is why I’m correcting the usage, I find the misuse of it, as self promotion, cynically using something very serious, as nothing but a buzz word, deplorable.
Alright, guys - but… who do you want for Bond 7?
Aaron Taylor-Johnson. He might be the right age when Bond 26 comes around.
Anyone who wasn’t in Game of Thrones
Charles Dance could reprise his villain from For Your Eyes Only!
Nocturnal Animals sold me on his Bond potential. I’d be happy, so long as his wife isn’t directing.
There’s continuity for you!
If someone’s complaining about it being used as a buzz word, surely that doesn’t mean that the complainer is using it as a buzz word.
I don’t mean to belabor the point, but I feel I have to explain myself.
Oddjobbies puts it really well in his above post. Thanks Oddjobbies.
Yes, there are unfortunately many women who are raped or taken advantage of due to the situation–Hollywood itself has its infamous casting couch–and many more go unreported for various reasons. They each should be taken seriously and investigated, however, we don’t have to believe the accusers simply because they make the accusation, which is what a lot of people were saying, or at the very least implying, in the wake of Me Too. The Me Too movement took off like wildfire with all sorts of allegations–a vast majority undoubtedly true. Some were very serious such as rape and others less so where the women felt uncomfortable over what turned out to be perfectly innocent interactions–miscommunication no doubt playing a critical role in those. As a result, many men are now afraid to compliment a woman/co-worker on her appearance or be left alone in a room with a woman, much less ask her out on a date. That is the unintended consequences of the Me Too movement at its height.
Unfortunately, people can and do lie. 13 years ago in America, a woman accused three members of the Duke University men’s lacrosse team of rape. The case blew up and became the talk of the nation. The public, fueled by the mainstream media, vilified the three young men. Months later, it was proven that the woman lied and the lacrosse players were innocent, but their names remained tarnished simply by a false accusation. In another instance, not to be political, but last year a woman accused a Supreme Court justice nominee of sexual assault in an incident from 30 years ago. The other side said everyone HAD to believe her because she made the accusation. However, she had no shred of proof or anything to back up her story, and in this country one is supposed to be innocent until proven guilty. The justice’s name was dragged through the mud as a result and is forever tarnished and all because of an unproven accusation. (For the record, I believe something did happen to the woman, but it was NOT done by the justice nominee.)
The above examples show the dangers that can arise if one rushes to judgement and believes accusations at face value unreservedly. Again, most accusations are undoubtedly true, but with such a serious issue as Me Too, we should take each case seriously and investigate them, not rush to judgement–all the while being careful not to lump all men as bad/predators, only some of them are. That seems to be something the Me Too movement forgets.
When it comes to political correctness, in theory it is good, but in practice it’s a restriction of free speech. You can’t say this, you can’t say that because you might offend some people. People are WAAAY too easily offended nowadays. The key is intent. It shouldn’t matter what word(s) you say as long as you are not intending to offend/hurt someone. Perfectly ok words years ago are now deemed not ok even though there may have been no negative connotation to them in the past or no negative use/intent of them in the present. For example, handicapped in PC terms is mobility challenged, midget is now little person, Black is African American, mailman is mail carrier to name a few. No matter that those words are accurate if not currently PC acceptable. But what really makes political correctness unpalatable is if you use the non-PC words in an ordinary/innocent intention or don’t see eye to eye with the PC police then you are deemed a bad or uncaring or insensitive person and that is not the case in most instances.
That is the type of stuff that I have a problem with and nowadays we are inundated with all of it. Everything is political, and it is tiresome.
I thought it was an older quote. I disagree with Brosnan’s opinion, but still love him!
I think I can understand some of those feelings; certainly the tiresomeness - is that a word? It ought to - of feeling misunderstood, accused, reviled.
Then again, it’s not as if that was something absolutely impossible to avoid. You meet every kind of people day to day, you get by with the vast majority, regardless whether you live in Timbuktu or Croydon. Even in the USA you will, with a little luck, mostly meet nice, kind and civilised people and get along with them fine. Those you don’t get along with you avoid; those who disagree with your particular slant of whatever don’t feature prominently on your radar.
Once you fire up the mobile and ‘connect with the world’ it’s suddenly all trench warfare, crosses and stakes. While others - to all intents and purposes no less sensible, no less sensitive, no less outspoken - spend their lives online and offline without much discomfort, knowing they cannot, will not meet always with undivided agreement. And not minding this. Such is life.
Of course, when one hands the fate of a society to a select small number of people, there is need to have at least a basic confidence in their character. Of course, when you look at their behaviour of 30 years, maybe 40 years ago, you will not always find unquestionable conduct. Which may also not be representative of the person in question in general, let alone recently, or professionally.
Then again, you’d want to know. And you’d perhaps think about whether you would trust these people now with your own loved ones. And if not, why then trust them with much greater responsibilities? Difficult to judge. But judge you will and you should.
As for Me Too, like with everything in life, there’s always the chance of failure, of false accusations or harmful intent even. But we wouldn’t stop prosecuting crimes merely because we cannot discard all chance of wrongful allegation. A judge/jury would hear the case, weigh the accusations and then pronounce a verdict.
By nature, these cases will often come down to - scarce - evidence. And in the end to what we, the judge, the jury, believe happened. There is sadly no other way. No good faerie will be turning up at the docket with irrefutable evidence that takes the weight off the judges’ shoulders. In the end it’s about whether you believe the evidence and the testimonies or not.
Difficult to judge. Thankfully not my duty.
Then again, while I understand the diffuse discomfort of some men, there also seem to exist men - the vast majority, I suspect - who never seem to experience the slightest trouble in their social interactions with women, whether alone with them or in company. I’m one of them. And I’m even married for the third time, so I’m not actually avoiding women. It escapes me what it is that I and others seem to do different. But it has to be something; something whatever, I don’t know.
Anyway, the crucial thing is that every case, whether MeToo or just plain ordinary life, deserves to be heard and taken seriously. This is not always about rape or sexual exploitation; it’s often about respect and plain human decency. Some of what’s said and done to women on a daily basis would doubtlessly result in fistfights and worse if the guys dared doing/saying such to fellow guys.
% of people who actually lie about being raped vs % of people who cherry pick tiny numbers of incidents that support their agenda?
Again, no-one is suggesting people CAN’T say anything - free speech is not being threatened - the only thing that has actually change is that minorities who previously were voiceless in saying "actually i dont like being called a “piccaninny” , “letterbox”, or a “bum boy” (to borrow a few choice quotes from the Prime Minister), are now able to express that and surprisingly, the people who used to freely bandy about these demeaning terms are upset they can no longer do so with wild abandon… If it’s not said with malice then make the tiniest ounce of effort and change the way you speak - if you can’t be bothered to apologise or try to change your actions that are hurtful to others then its perfectly fair to be called uncaring or insensitive
With a startling lack of originality, but… I still think Henry Cavill is the perfect next Bond, regardless of what direction they choose to go in.
Are those sort of things allowed to be said here
Gonna have to take issue with the latter. I’ve been to some pretty dark and desperate corners of the world and Croydon still scares the bejesus out of me
Simple, old-fashioned civility is a restriction of free speech as well–society/culture restricts speech all the time. For example, a customer service representative cannot greet a patron with “Hello, idiot.”
People are still allowed to offend people. What has changed is that the offense given is no longer automatically shrugged off.
Intent is unknowable. We cannot do Vulcan mind melds with other people. Also, the harm occurs whether the intention to harm existed or not. The “I am sorry if you were offended” defense is not as accepted/effective as it used to be.
Impermanence and change are the nature of existence. For example, portrayals of queers and African-Americans that were standard for Classical Hollywood are now considered derogatory. What was permissible yesterday may not be so today. Also, I have found in most cases there was a negative connotation attached to words/depictions in the past. The difference today is that the disapproval of such is more widespread and accepted.
That is a problem of weaponization and must be combated.
Political from polis–“affairs of the city.” Everything has always been political. What has changed is that more voices are being heard and regarded as equal to previously prevailing ones with the result that many more experiences/viewpoints must be taken into account. It can be tiresome at first since increased effort must be expended due to the increased number of voices in the public square.
For example, I write from a queer aesthetic. In the past, mine was a marginalized voice, but now it is considered one of several way to approach an artwork, and cannot be instantly categorized as fringe.
He said on a James Bond fan site
Touche. But it used to be worse–I was on the fringe of even the fringe. Now I am at the center of the marginalized.